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yes they are. It's an 82 2001. Love the boat. I'll search for a picture of it.
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Not one of the better pic's, but it works.

I want the Mustang to match the middle red on the stripe and white.
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that should be easy to do, did you decide on paint yet? was that you i talked to last year about the wolmanized wood somebody repaired your boat with? im trying to put a voice to the face
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Michelle,

Good looking rig (well and the 82').. You have two ways to go with refinishing.
1. Patch and paint, which may or may not last and be resistant to punishment..
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2. Re-Gel which you'll have to remove what's on the boat now (bringing it down to glass) and spray the new hardcoat.

Re-gelling will basically give you a completely new, durable surface, as if you left the yellow in tact.. It's more time consuming in the prep and more expensive as a finish, but it's the ultimate way to go..

If you're going to paint, then each and every crack needs to be routed out, and filled. Paint will not mask the cracks..

I have a 76 and 77' CC's and neither one had a blister anywhere.. Boats hulls are just like that.. Best of luck with whatever you decide..

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No, not I. But when searching for stringer wood for the Mustang, one of our local boat shops suggested wolmanized. I even knew better. Maybe that's the reason I ask for all opinions and advice. It's easier to sort through everything and make choices rather than listen to 1 voice.
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[QUOTE=Mojo] And
2. Re-Gel which you'll have to remove what's on the boat now (bringing it down to glass) and spray the new hardcoat.

Moj',
Why can't you re-gel over existing gel? Because of adhesion?
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Originally posted by sanity sanity wrote:

[QUOTE=Mojo] And
2. Re-Gel which you'll have to remove what's on the boat now (bringing it down to glass) and spray the new hardcoat.

Moj',
Why can't you re-gel over existing gel? Because of adhesion?


Michelle,
The way Dave worded the statement is confusing. No the gel doesn't need to come off the existing. BUT if the prep work is extensive (lots of blistering cracking) then it's easier to remove all of the bad original gel. Routing, filling and sanding is the same as paint.


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Michelle,
The way Dave worded the statement is confusing. No the gel doesn't need to come off the existing. BUT if the prep work is extensive then it's easier to remove all of the bad original gel. Routing, filling and sanding is the same as paint.


Yeah, what he said...
Pete, at what extent do need to prep the old Gel for good adhesion for new Gel ?

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ok. Thanks for explaining that. I went over the Mustang last night with a careful eye. There are no cracks, just blisters. I can tell you that I am now leaning more towards the gel. I'm pretty good at painting, but have never had the opportunity or desire to work with gel coat until now. My friend has all of the tools I can utilize,as he owns a body repair shop, but he doesn't have experience with gel coat either.

I will await your answer to Moj's question and will head in that direction.

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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:


Michelle,
The way Dave worded the statement is confusing. No the gel doesn't need to come off the existing. BUT if the prep work is extensive then it's easier to remove all of the bad original gel. Routing, filling and sanding is the same as paint.


Yeah, what he said...
Pete, at what extent do need to prep the old Gel for good adhesion for new Gel ?



Dave,
If you have thousands of blisters/cracking/checking then is easier and takes less man hours to just remove all the old gel and then level/fair the hull. Gary's (farmer) boat is a good example. His was so bad that he removed all the gel. Remember he even made the removal tool out of a 4" right angle grinder. I'm going to have to do a search for that thread.

If you only have a few bad spots (let's say around 100) then routing and filling the spots isn't going to take that long.

BTW, this prep work is the same for gel or paint.


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I found Gary's thread but the pictures have been removed.
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Gary,
Can you find your blister pictures again?


BTW, regarding the pictures - I found out the hard way one day when I was "cleaning" out my photobucket account that when you delete pictures they no longer come up here on the site. Being the computer geek I am, I never realized that photobucket posts are actually links to the pictures!!!


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Pete, I read through the thread.

Wow, you guys are pretty much split regarding painting or re-gel. Maybe I better wait till I make my repairs before I decide.

Eric, if it weren't for the expense of re-gel, do you think you would choose that over paint?

Since we have no boat (body) repair shops in Beaver County, by the time I learn and complete my project, I'll be able to take others on as a side job.

Seems silly, but one of my main concerns is adhesion. When I think paint - oil and latex do not mix well. If you cut a piece of wood it would be silly to repair it with plastic.
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thats a loaded question, if i have a guy with a ton of money and he said spare no expense,i would gel it. i would estimate it at twice the normal paint job because it is labor intensive. I would go to town with a big smile.
its not a hobby for me so my opinion is not very valid in this situation. as I said earlier Ive painted boats 10 years ago and they still look good to this day with single stage paints such as acrylic urethanes and so on, even with bc/cc its a good durable looking paint job, but with bc/cc you dont leave the boat in the water and you take care of it, you wipe it down when your down, you wax regularly....there is alot of variables
its up to you and your budget.
make a list of what your intentions are with the boat and then decide, include is it going to be a boat for show or is it going to be a boat that you use all the time and so on, weather is also a factor, how much you use the boat is a factor
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that picture didnt last long, what happened?
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Originally posted by sanity sanity wrote:

I had a nice long talk with him (as it's not a "her" Mustang) and he and I are both very happy with the color change decision. I am going to reverse the colors of the Nautique for the Mustang.
Chelle'


AH-OH, Are you seeing colors? Is the boat taking back? check for open paint or solvent cans in the garage. Get some air circulating in there..
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LOL...I went back to a burly, flannel boat lover.
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While you do not need to go down to the bare glass before re-geling I think it would be better to do so. Adhesion of the new gel coat would be as good either way assuming similar surface prep, and better than even the best paints discussed above. However gel coat is essentially uv stable colored polyester resin. Poly resin with no reinforcing fibers is brittle. The thicker that gel is the more apt to develop stress cracks. Removing as much of the old gel as possible will allow you to get a good thickness of new gel down without worrying about it. Thats the way the logic has always played in my mind anyway..
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And there's my good ol' buddy skinaut.
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worried about you girl, talking to 'things', spending the nights in the garage, posting pictures of yourself on the internet. Dont make me come up there....
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ROFL...I removed the picture. I thought "Oh no, Lee will be on here and he will reprimand me"

When you're in a garage working on your boat all by yourself, you would be amazed how you start talking to yourself.



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Michelle,
I'd like to add that re gelcoating is relatively new (within the last 10 years or so) and there are lots of people out there still not familiar with the process. However, it's no different than spraying a heavy viscosity two component paint.


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No reprimand, just careful. you could draw some stalkers. I know all about talking to yourself, remember I live alone, I have 2 boats, 2 bikes, an old car and a truck to work on.

They say talking to yourself could be a sign of mental illness............you know me

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I like the old original colors. It just adds to the antique feel of the boat. I know it takes some getting used too but it grows on you. Look at both of my hulls= harvest gold? and gray on the ski. I really like them now, and it makes the boat stand out as something special. And will even raise the value of the boat to a collector. But a reverse version of JB's boat would be cool too. I guess you just have to go with what you really want. If it's in the budget and you find someone that can do it right, gell is the way to go.$$$
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Hey Skinaut,
Cool old Centurion.. What's the scoop with her? V-drive.. Lets see some pics...

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Hey Skinaut,
Cool old Centurion.. What's the scoop with her? V-drive.. Lets see some pics...

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yeah, sb chevy v-drive. I will start a new thread and post some picks of her when I got some more time. dont want to hijack sanitys thread
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[QUOTE=skinaut] I like the old original colors. It just adds to the antique feel of the boat.

For as much as I love antiques and old "things", you would think that I would be set on keeping the original color.

Yours is different. The colors (plural)look great on the boat.
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Go ahead, Lee. Post away. I would like to see it again myself.
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Originally posted by sanity sanity wrote:

[QUOTE=skinaut] I like the old original colors. It just adds to the antique feel of the boat.

For as much as I love antiques and old "things", you would think that I would be set on keeping the original color.

Yours is different. The colors (plural)look great on the boat.


It was different alright, I think the white diamond interior just really set it off. It feels like your driving an old chevelle or 442 olds.
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I need to start a few threads anyway, I owe Kevin some pics of the folding tongue job on the cc trailer. Just not enough time in a day. I will get around to it. Need to run for now, its in the upper 70's today so I will run errands on the hog.....in a tee-shirt..Ha!
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Rub it in Lee. The fatboy sits in the garage.
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