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skicat2001
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Ok, I am thinking that is the best prop too.. I have listend to alot of yalls opions and think its the best prop for my boat.. Only three more months and I am getting my boat ready for spring..lol to sad for you guys up north.. |
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skicat2001
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Ok SNobessed,
I will call Delta props, but I dont use my boat for tubing, only a little.. Maybe twice.. Mostly skiing and when my friends cant go to the lake I go by myself.. Merry Christmas to you as well.. Thanks.. |
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SNobsessed
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Skicat - Call Delta & tell them what you want to do with your boat (even if it tubing). They know their stuff & won't steer you wrong.
Might give you a hard time about tubing, though. Merry Christmas! |
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skicat2001
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ok sounds good.. I will do a little more research on some props. I just want to make sure I put the right one on, and nothing changes except hole shot. Yall have talked alot about different props but if there is a another 3 blade prop out there that performs better than what I got then I will stay with the 3 blade. If not I most likley will go with the 540. I will goggle props and see whats going on..
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Hollywood
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Moj', I think you're getting a little too deep for this blog. 2 blade 12x12 propulsion extension props deserve their own blog.
Anyone know anything about those "high 5" props? They sound popular and fast on those outboards. 70 mph??? Yeah baby... |
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I've got this really cool 2 blade red composite prop, just put out by the Acmme company. It's 12x12 and a brass hook for attaching the rubber propulsion extension bands... I was quoted top speed of 49mph for the first 40 yards when wound correctly.. Any advise on going with this style prop/system Hollywood???
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Lee, Don't go looking for Hollywood's props. My statement is facetious!! His was too!! You asking about the 540 and 542 being made in other configurations than 3 blades tells me you're not reading and doing your research! Read the thread again. Go to Delta prop (banner or link on site). Do a forum search and read up on all the reports. |
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8122pbrainard
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Maybe you should go with Hollywood's prop suggestion. |
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skicat2001
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Ok sounds good.. One ? guys.. Do they make a another 3 blade prop with different specs say a 540 in a 3 blade or 542 3 blade that will make a difference. Or those just in a 4 blade props.. I think that after listening to yall talk... Think the 540 is best bet. The 542 is more hull shot though, right. I use my boat for skiing, crusing, tubing every once in a while. Mostly me and friend go to the lake and ski each other.. I thought it would be nice to get a harder hole shot, and maybe just loose a 1-2 mph on top end..
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Hollywood
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Try a Federal or Michigan Wheel, they do make a 13x13 and a 13x12 to fit your boat. It would be an awesome upgrade!
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Lee,
Considering what you want to use the boat for and the WOT, my vote is the 540. Other opinions? |
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Just got the 542 a few weeks ago, I had a 13x12 installed before.
http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12473&PN=1 I think it mainly reduces to how and what you use your boat for, I want good power out of the hole for wakeboarding or cruising with many friends onboard. I dont mind for speed at all even though I think I have plenty with the 542. |
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skicat2001
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Ok guys, I got a 3 blade 13 x 13 prop. So what should I get. 540 or 542? Or should I stay with the three blade maybe a differnt one. What you think?
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skicat2001
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Hollywood,
Sure. thanks.. I did get all the advice I need, a second opion does not hurt.. |
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you got all the advice you are looking for 10 ***************ing times over already |
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skicat2001
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8122,
I sure will.. I am going up there this next weekend to check. Please look for my reply, I would really like some more advice after I get the specs. You guys know your props.. Thanks |
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Lee,
Confirm what prop you have on the boat now. Take a look and see if it is the 13x13. |
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skicat2001
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That makes since Joein.. My RPM's at wide open throttle are at 46, or 45.. ok, now then what is next is that good or bad. My boat is the same as yours only two years newer, but you put a large motor in yours. So i guess are boats are different. I have the 85 nautique 2001, and my will whine at a high pitch rpm, say around about 38,39 on the rpms, then she will hit 46 on rpms. My speed is also the same as rpms or 2 away of what I am told. So my boat runs 46 rpms, I am running 44mph. So do I need a different sound prop, or check this one out first.
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JoeinNY
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For clarification, I do recommend the three blade cnc props for almost all DD boats and almost all uses they are the best all around performer, just not sure we can throw away all the four blades just yet.
Cavitation is a pretty specific and often violent event that usually leaves behind some evidence, more common to simply increase slippage. Now whether the slippage increases simply because it now takes an exponentially increasing amount of power to get moving faster or because the blades are flexing and becoming less efficient, or a combination of both I dont know. Skicat, Sorry to include all this confusion on your post, its all way past what you need for your boat. The following applies to you, The prop determines how many rpm your engine can achieve. A larger pitch prop, or sometimes the same pitch prop with additional blades is harder to turn and will keep your engine to a lower RPM (rotations per minute) at WOT (wide open throttle or full speed). A smaller pitch prop is easier to turn will let your engine turn more RPM and typically has a better whole shot. Your boat if stock should run between 4400 and 4600 rpm at WOT with minimal load. If it runs significantly lower than that you need less pitch, if it runs significantly higher you need more pitch. In general the 542 will run more rpm and give you better holeshot (good for heavily loaded boats used mostly for boarding, or boats where the engine is getting a little tired), and the 540 will run lower rpm and give you better top speed. For your boat most (but not all) have found that both are better in every way than the stock 13 x 13 three blade props that were standard on this boat, and both are better in every way than any of the four blades available. |
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skicat2001
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Hey Joein,
I learned alot. I am ptetty sure my boat is set a certain way and but do not know. So you can set your rpms to your props and then it could change your horsepower if not set correctly.. |
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skicat2001
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No, I sure dont know my WOT RPM. Please explain.. Like I said, I am glad to talk to some guys that are very helpful on props,rpms and etc. Know I can learn more and really get my boat hummming.. So what is a 3 blade 542?
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8122,
I came up with wanting to add more whole shot not my mechanic. I asked him briefly about a 4 blade and he really told me that stick with the three blade, it is alot better. He also said, yea a 4 blade will be a huge differnence in hole shot, but you will lose top end speed. Tr, I will look next weekend at my boat, on the prop to see what it is. I keep my boat 50 miles from me, close to the lake.. |
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SNobsessed
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Joe - Is there a point (in RPM) where a prop starts to cavitate?
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I am pretty sure eddie told me he was running a four blade as well but that converstation was after a lot of drinking so I wouldnt be shocked to hear it wasnt the case. I think on the bigger boats with enough torque that there is probably a point where putting more blade area on the three blades to give you a better holeshot (and better pulling boat) will cause the blades to flex at max thrust conditions and hurt your top end. You could get around this with better material or thicker blades but everyone is using nibral and thicker blades have performance issues as well. A lot of this has to do with the rpm your making speed with as well, if I set up for a 5800 rpm horsepower peak instead of a 4800 hp peak the prop would see less stress at the same horsepower level. I do know that with my old setup and a three blade the last 600 rpm of throttle would get me about 1 mph increase and somethin was going on with that 3 blade.
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I think if you were to have lined up with the 409 out of the hole, you wouldnt have considered it such a whooping... guarantee you would have put 1-2 boatlengths on it. What was the other boat? You and I both know that matching the size of the prop (mainly pitch) to the power curve of the motor is critical. It just so happens that the 4-blades available for the 1.23 are a bit steeper, which lend themselves well to high-hp combos. So tell me Joe- if there was a suitable 3-blade for your boat (~13x16.25 Acme), dont you think that would be the hot ticket? |
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What does "DD" mean, I'm a big fan of double D's, but I'm assuming it means something else in this context?!?!? |
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All I know is I got whooped by two different 4 blade wearing boats up at Lake George...
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