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kapla
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Is the oil p sender specific for this particular engines ford pcm 351 w with protech ingnition or they are just universal? I replaced my oil sendar wich was dead, with one from an Y block style engine we have down here. It has the same fittins and one wire electrical hook up as the one i replaced, but it will go to max reading when engine is running. Either the sender is not compatible or y still have to figure out my gremlins on the grounding issues on my electrical instalation.
Any ideas on how to check for bad ground on the entire boat installation... |
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TRBenj
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Its doubtful that PCM used anything special for that sender, even with the Pro-Tec system. More than likely, you just have an incompatible (or automotive) sender installed. The resistance range of the sender has to match the gauge- it sounds like youve got a mismatch.
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what would be the differnce between an automotive sender and a marine one? The one i got is from auto use. how can i check the resistance range of both parts in order to make sure thats the problem and not a foulty gauge or ground issue....
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79nautique
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I would disagree Tim on a computer controled motor the ECM looks for a signal from the oil pressure switch, sometimes there are two other times just one, but if the ECU doesn't see oil pressure it shuts down the fuel and kills the motor. Now I'm not sure on PCM's set up if this is the case or not it is on a GM car. |
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Chris, Im pretty sure that there is a seperate switch (to the ECU) and sender (to the gauge) on the Pro-Tec set up. If he's got a regular automotive sender in there (1-wire hook up) and the Pro-Tec isnt putting the engine into limp mode, then they'd have to be seperate.
Sebastian, Im 99% certain that the automotive and marine senders are different. Do a search on here. Probably no need to verify- just get yourself the correct sender. |
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agreed Tim sounds like an auto unit to me, which operates at a different resistance, been over this several times on the forum.
Get a marine unit and all is good |
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Sebastin,
The Pro Tec system uses a unigue oil sender. Try Discount Inboard Marine. Search under the Pro Tec section to find the correct sender. Jimsport93 |
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Jim, are you sure? I know the ProTec uses a unique oil pressure switch... but I think the sender is the standard marine unit. There is no sender listed in the ProTec section at SkiDIM. I dont think the switch and sender are the same thing.
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Tim,
I did jump the gun. You are correct. The Protec pressure switch is different from the oil pressure sender. I spoke with Vince at Discount Inboard Marine. He did say that the marine oil sender has different ohm resistance vs the automotive type. Hope this helps. Jimsport93 |
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Sounds like you got a sender for a idiot light ( on / off) you need a sender for a psi gauge. the resistance range from model to model isn't that big of a differance.
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Well, yesterday while testing the boat i checked the oil pressure thing, guage works fine as when i disconect the cable it will go to zero and if i hit the engine block it will go to max. So bad sender. My logic says I need part 1236 from skidim.
Pd how do i post a link to another page? Stupid question for a senior member ahh |
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1236 would be the right part. Id be surprised if you couldnt find it locally, though.
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Tr, marine parts for American V8 engines are really hard to come by here, I ordered my pressure sending unit from skidim too.
Kapla, Barrera or Folino might have the part, It's the same sending unit for Ford and GM's so you could try a Mercruiser one. Anyway, Skidim is great to deal with, see if there's something else you need to make shipment cheaper. |
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Lucho I just ordered on skidim using the ccfan discount it will go for u$s27 + u$s10 shipping total u$s37 (as is less than 50 sure no customs fees will apply).
I asked Barrera and asked me u$s77 for it!!! Skidim=good service!!! |
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yesterday I went to pick up the parcel at the post office customs. After paying 6 dollar tax i have the new OPS from skidim, so total cost was $43 against 80 that I was asked at a local parts here, I think the 1 month wait was worth. I will install it this WE and let you know how it turned out!!! Lucho whats that c#%& you`re selling on ML.... very expensive on my opinion.... |
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well I connected the new oil sender but the gauge still peg out... same as the other sender.. is there a proper installtion, or just screw the new one in hook the cable and thats it? i,m king of lost here |
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Ill take a Shot.
If memory serves me their were two units on the oil pressure line that had what some call sending units. One is a sending unit for the oil pressure gauge the other is a oil pressure switch/sensor for protec system the warning light and will cause the motor to go into "limp mode" if it fails. Some times these units get confusing. Their should be a green wire that goes to the pressure switch/sensor. The blue goes to the pressure sending unit. The problem that I run into when talking to people with either sending unit problems or switch is that they can not identify what is what. I will use the term normally, normally the sending unit protrudes directly away from the block it is also "normally" a larger looking component. The switch is off set on the line in a T fashion and is "normally" smaller in size than that of the sending unit. You might want to make sure that these wires are going to the right units. If you need a wiring diagram for that system I can copy and send you one. Hopefully this helps in chasing down your problem. Jody |
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my problem is with oil pressure that hooks up to the gauge... My boat doesn't have the warning ligth on the dash pod. If I recall it has a light blue wire connected to it.
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Seb,
The sender is a variable resistor that changes the voltage to the gauge as oil pressure varies and the gauge is a volt meter only marked in PSI. Check the voltage you are getting to the "S" terminal on the gauge. You can also remove the wire from the "S" terminal (it goes to the sender) and check for resistance. It almost sounds like this wire is shorted to ground someplace. If you get close to 0 Ohms, then it's shorted. If not, then it's the gauge. |
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that was my first thought, when you ground a gauge wire or if the sender goes to ground it will peg the gauge.
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didnīt get the chance to do that.. but that was also the idea of my mechanic friend, to check resistance at the wire...
Maybe that was the problem and not the sender.... The gauge pegs out in the moment you hook the wire to the sender with the key on contact position, w/o the engine runing.. so I guess the ground issue is a possible culprit. |
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As soon as you connect the wire to the sender? It shouldn't peg the gauge unless you do have the wrong sender. Without the engine running (0 oil pressure) ohm out the sender to ground. You should get resistance. If close to 0 ohms, then ether the new sender is bad or you do have the wrong one. Most senders will have 240 ohms at 0 psi and 33.5 at max psi. You can even go to the electronics supply and get some 1/4 watt resistors within this range and put them in place of the sender to check your gauge. Edit: If you use a 100ohm resistor and the gauge is ok, then it should read about half of it's psi range. |
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About the sender is the one from skidim for that engine..so it should be ok. Faulty? are this things delicate? can get damaged by movenment during transportation? or is something solid? how can I check if the sender is bad?
Iīm stuck here... |
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Zero oil pressure (engine not running) check for the 240 ohms. Engine running you should have about 1/2 the oil pressure the gauge reads or about 100 ohms. |
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I will have a tester for checking resistance... and let you know if any new...
sebastian |
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Seb,
You did get this correct? sender: And not this one. switch: |
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kapla
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Yes Pete the first is the one I have...
Well did some testing. Reading w/o cable attached with the engine of was 240 ohms at the sender... So we took the gauge, and connected with a piece of cable directly to the sender to check if the old cable was the culprit. Same thing, so the problem is the gauge. Needs to be recalibrated.... I took it to a guy that fixes them and will have a quote... I think that moisture or water may have affected the gauge.... I will let you know what turns out!!! Thanks Sebastian |
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Seb,
Well at least you now know it's the gauge! I'm glad to hear you have someone down there that can work on them. The typical gauge has two coils in them creating the magnetic push-pull on the needle. Sounds like one of them is "open" meaning a break in the coil winding so with no current going though it, it won't create the proper magnetic field which pins the needle. Don't forget to come back with the results. We'd like to hear about it. |
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Pete
yes I took it to a guy that do automotive gauges, but he will take it to a guy that do marine gauges... they donīt mess with other fields!!! Will have a quote....hope its fixeable... |
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Well I just talked to this guy and he canīt fix it.. apparently one of the coils is burned out....
i will pick it up and try luck at a marine parts store..... But at least i know i can get one new from egauges... Tim did you contact this guys for the hour meter? is it real or is it just smoke? |
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