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SUNAPEE CROW
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Monty,
Were you able to find the original red and black outdoor carpet? If so, I'd like to know where you bought it. I have an '80 that looks very much like your boat. Mine is approaching a re do. |
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8122pbrainard
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Monty,
Your ok! Notice they say "rigid" Plastic foam. I don't know exactly what they are referring to but it's something to take up the minor gaps between the wood and the hull. The key word rigid means the wood doesn't move in relationship to the hull and thats exactly what you have done with your project. You could even call the resin, mat and peanut butter a "rigid plastic". BTW, it's looking good!! |
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79TiqueRebuild
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Ok did more fitting and a little plumbing work. I'm going to mark everything and start with cpes treatment.
A fiberglass book I reserved at library finally made it to me. After looking at it I'm more confused than ever. It says to have rigid plastic foam pad under the bulkhead and other areas so you don't have hard spots. I was thinking that the wood parts should fit as close as possible and then be glued down with that mat and a thick mixture of epoxy or peanut butter.I know its back through the patch and WBTS and others. Did I miss something I remember several comments that CC set the stringers on foam pads. Was that the norm back then and things are done different now? |
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uk1979
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Good work Monty and you have wood work skills now, good to see you are now using the shelf, well earned
Keep it coming good for others. |
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79TiqueRebuild
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AT&T & CWA Sounds like were in the same boat.
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jbear
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[QUOTE=79TiqueRebuild] Our contract is up Apr 4 @ midnight I may have the time to work on boat
Contract in what..if you don't mind me asking? Sounds like just about the same time that contract is up for my telco buddies up north. john |
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79TiqueRebuild
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Here's what came out on exhaust back plate.
This is the biggest piece of template I had. Woo ho. Did some more fitting for mock-up. How come the phone only rings after you get in the boat? I wonder if anybody kept track of times entered and out I'd probably set a record.. Kirk, Our contract is up Apr 4 @ midnight I may have the time to work on boat But I've been kind of holding off placing order for fiberglass materials$$$$$ |
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BuffaloBFN
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I like the 'extend-a-level'!
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the grinch
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Monty, that's looking good. I bet you are thinking, "If I could take a month off of work, I'd have it finished in no time!" Good luck.
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79TiqueRebuild
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I took the day off today, I was inspired by the lake and got some fitting and a partial mock-up of the observer side. Then I cut out old drivers side.I'm not as fast as the rest but I'll keep plugging along.
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79TiqueRebuild
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There is a electric blower that is mounted in a fiberglass box, flip the lever in the box to release air and switch on blower to raise it. The fancy ones are remote controlled so you can raise it back up for rough water. Then lower when returning. We are on a Corp lake and have to use a generator for electricity. The valve on the tank is a safety I installed. After looking today I think I can raise my bunks with some 2" square metal stock. more fun.....
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eric lavine
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Monty, It took a while and then i seen the airline, pretty cool, do you have to bring an air compresser with you? or is there one on site?
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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uk1979
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Monty, just looked back through your post and the cradle came in 1980 so a 80/81 would make a good starting point as its the same hull,they may be the same in 2001 boats, need a 2001 guy to size one up for you.
Nice lift by the way. |
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WakeSlayer
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I think you are stuck on the height of the brackets. I do think they need to be brought in quite a ways together. That may help part of that. Depending how they are attached under the bunks, perhaps you can put a spacer of some sort in there. I don't think you need to go much higher. Maybe 4" lift at most. Just my opinion, make sure.
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Mike N
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79TiqueRebuild
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Thanks I'm not too far from lake of the Ozarks lots of lift dealers there. I measured boat so will see if I can come up with taller brackets.
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the grinch
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I don't know if you have a local shop that builds docks and has some type of brackets that would work. I rebuilt my own for my 81sn but it was a little different (overhead lift with chains down to a cradle) application. I had to cut the rear section of the cross member that is like yours and weld a dropped section in btwn the bunks. You can't do that with yours, so it would be easiest to just raise the bunks front and rear. You might be able to have some brackets made to raise the bunks that you could bolt onto the cradle. Really not to difficult to do with the right materials. Don't worry to much about the galvanized steel. You can use mild steel and then paint with galvanizing paint. It worked fine for the five years I had the house.
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79TiqueRebuild
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Pardon me for being dumb. But do I need to buy new Taller brackets? or is there a way to make these work? I know I'm a long way from this issue but want to get this figured out while I'm there or at least know what to be looking for. Monty
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the grinch
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Monty it looks like all you may have to do is raise the bunks straight up. Measure width of bunks and then take that measurement on the boat. From that point, measure down to the lowest hanging point on the boat, (the rudder) and that's how high you need to raise the bunks. Of course the rudder may overhang the lift and may not be a factor, so it may be the prop shaft, or so forth. I guess it really depends on how far forward the boat will sit on the bunks. I don't have a pic, however, I built a stop on the lift at my previous house to keep from pulling boat in to far and the prop or rudder hitting.
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79TiqueRebuild
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Thanks. I sent a E-mail to Paul about a engine cradle. Does anybody know what years would work on my boat? I want to beef up the pylon area as much as possible as the boys want to Wakeboard with that stripper pole.
I got the files for the other stringers from Jeremy. Thanks so much!!! to you and Roger. Have to make a trip to lake this weekend to check on things and thought of my lift right now is setup for my runabout do you what changes will I have to make for the CC? |
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WakeSlayer
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Just the thought of dumping 8000 ping pong balls in the boat makes me laugh. Hit a big roller and have like a dozen of them pop out of nowhere and bounce around.
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Mike N
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uk1979
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Monty as Kirk and Mike said the pylon fixing is a weak part on our year boats, and the engine cradle type is the way to go with all the extra things/ways now around to pull. I would think the later cradle may fit with a small amount of work and setting the stringers for one, may be worth a post on the parts wanted list or mail Paul
he has lots of parts he helped me out and sent over to the UK if not a cradle you may need some other CC parts. nautiquefanatic pcarpenter2@carolina.rr.com or call (980)581-0006 Mike you could go ping pong on your next boat |
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79TiqueRebuild
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Thanks I will go back and check that out again.
I always liked that episode of mythbusters. I just haven't checked in to quanity and prices. Do you think a ping pong paddle would pass water patrol requirements for a paddle?? |
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WakeSlayer
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Dammit !! For the pylon mount, and I do realize this is a different boat: Mine was two pieces of 3/4" ply peanut buttered and screwed together. One went between the stingers and one went on top in a notch. Then my floor. so it is 2" plus total of surrounding cross support. |
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Mike N
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the grinch
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I was referring to some layered plywood underneath the center floor slab. The layers would be placed to butt against the front bulkheads to create more dispersed load against the bulkheads when force or load is on the pylon and floor. I haven't quite made it that far in my rebuild, but I'll post pics when I get there. Should be towards the end of the week. I also built a cradle to help with this force as well. It may be overbuild but my original floor had failed here for whatever reason. Don't want it to happen again so adding a little xtra.
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uk1979
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Monty yes a good solid bit of 2x8 under the floor sealed and epoxy on with a good snug fit around the pylon along with the 4 bolts through the welded top plate down to the under plate to give a 3/4 ply and 2 inch depth should be fine, not sure what Kirk's mean's as I am thinking you are putting the front floor in as a big slab not unlike he shows in his post, you could put some off cuts of ply under the floor where you fix the seats too all epoxy on,then I would coat the tops of the stringers with wet epoxy and screw down or if its a removable job just more screws no wet epoxy.
As for the shims I too had them 11/4 at the front and 1/4 at the back I may be wrong my guess is the stringers were set as a one size fits all on the engine package you had, and its easy to just shim up, you have 351 and I have 350 and the early 70's boat may have had something different. |
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79TiqueRebuild
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I got the real observer side main stringer fit to the hull.I started laying out the top side of it and I think I will go with the 3/4' floor and under the pylon sink in a 2x8 across the main stringers. One of those engine cradle would be nice.
While I was Measuring out the top I remembered that when pulling the motor there were 1/2 oak shims under the front motor mounts.Has anybody seen that or is that part of a p.o. stringer replacement? I was going to add a 1/2 inch to front mm height to do away with them. Kirk what do you mean use more than screws to hold floor around pylon? |
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the grinch
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My 79bfn is alot like the 79sn in and around the pylon. This was a huge failure point in the floor system on mine. I wish I had taken pictures of this part of the floor before tearing it apart. If like mine, the only attachment point for the pylon is the socket in the bilge (which has no pin), and of course the floor. With the exception of my daughter, everyone pulled behind my 81sn was 200#s plussss. With the simple laws of physics, the attachment down at the floor and its close proximity to that socket in the bilge, there is alot of force or leverage created at the attachment points. I would tie that floor around the pylon in with more than screws. If the floor attachment starts to fail, then that socket in the bilge is going to get wallowed out. I would use more than screws to hold that part of the floor in.
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uk1979
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Thinking about it Monty I would add a extra piece of 3/4 ply under the floor around the pylon epoxy & screwed on.
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uk1979
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Good Work Monty glad it works,on the floor Mike is right 3/4 or at a pinch 5/8 as the ski pylon is bolted through the floor on your year SN and is the main support so a good multi ply (WBP grade) would be good coated all over with CPES & epoxy ( when you coat it up do all over at the same time on a thick plastic sheet, will help to keep it flat and not pull one side,they say epoxy has a low shrink rate/ to dry! ) as for the sides that was fiberglass which was over the ply/wood then over foam, lots of schools of thought and all good Mike's post shows the ply way well, the back middle section was 3/4 ply that you could remove with screws for ease to work on.
Lots to read up on here for floors Foam or no Foam, if no then there are Mike's pool noodles right up to empty soft drink bottles (caps on) to ping pong balls. At the end of the day its your boat and do it as you feel happy with which could be a combo of all the above or a new twist. Keep it up and keep the new wood work skills under your hat and on here, if the skirts find out you will soon have lots of new jobs which = less boat time. |
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WakeSlayer
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I used 3/4 all the way around. not sure if I would want to go less. Maybe 5/8's.
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Mike N
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