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6strings ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-05-2004 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 218 |
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Eric, I'm still not convinced. On my 351, I feel good that both manifolds are empty after draining, as the angle of the motor is such that the plugs are at the lowest point. However, the block plugs, the port side is at the back of the block, and with the angle of the motor in the boat, it is lower than the "casting plugs" and most of the water comes out when removed. The starboard side however, the plug is toward the front of the block and, if I remember correctly, is higher than the "casting plugs". Together, with the angle of the motor, there could be significant water left on that side after draining. I always raise and lower the jack on the trailer to get out as much water as possible. Many have said in this thread that there can always be water left in the block after draining. This is the reason, in my opinion, that anti freeze should be added. I believe water expands in all direction when frozen, not just to any available "open" space. Any experts that can confirm or deny my thinking here?
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WakeSlayer ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-15-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2138 |
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New noodles, coupled with the fact that the boat is on a lift with a canopy and otherwise stored indoors makes me extremely confident using them as a partial flotation alternative to the dreaded foam. There really are no points of intrusion unless I take on a bunch of water in which case, I have bigger problems. Not that that cannot happen, but I have a bilge pump, and primarily use the boat on a very small lake. I am putting the noodles in the next boat, too. Lastly, if I see some dipsh*t dumping AF in the lake I am going to freak on them. I would never ever do this. Not in a million years. My Dad copped to this once and he was so embarassed by the ass chewing I gave him he never did it again. |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Craig, Thanks for clearing that up. I actually did think your post was directed at me and It really surprised me. Once again, a good example of putting thoughts down in words and still making the point clear!! ![]() |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Tim, Note that I stated White Lake claims to be the oldest CC dealer. Now for a fact: Watercraft Sales sold their first CC in 1949. It's a deluxe double plank Junior and still on the Three Lakes Wisconsin chain of lakes. Watercraft is still around and going strong even with the downturn it the boating industry. |
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75 Tique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: August-12-2004 Location: Seven Lakes, NC Status: Offline Points: 6119 |
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That is correct. Ice is the molecules in the water forming a crystal lattice. They expand out equally in every direction. Better proof than that tho is when I was a kid I put an open plastic cup of water in the freezer. Although the water/ice had plenty of room to move up toward the top of the cup, the ice pushed out the sides of the cup, cracking it open. |
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6strings ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-05-2004 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 218 |
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Thanks Tique! That is exactly why I'm not comfortable with just draining the block....it would be fine if I knew all the water was out!
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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my dis-claimer "drain block fill with anti-freeze"
you do have a point but the experts use thier lift truck on the tongue of the trailer to raise it 6ft and then swing the jack and bring it all the way down to insure the water is out, or with compressed air we will blow the rest of the water out, if. if. if any is left in there. its a double edged sword, if you are not quite sure that you got all the water out then by all means throw in some anti-freeze, no need to use 5 gallons because it trickles out the back into your driveway. 1.5 to 2 gallons is more than enough in an empty or 98% emptied block. most of all, use common sense on this, raise or lower the boat to get the water out or blow it with air. i do this every year and feel comfortable doing it this way and hopefully not to offend and say this is the way you have to do it because i said...they are mere suggestions to make it easier and make people more comfortable doing it at home by themselves. Just mentioning the green anti-freeze being dumped into the lake is a valid point, maybe some read that and thought to themselves.....maybe i shouldnt do that |
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Hollywood ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: February-04-2004 Location: Twin Lakes, WI Status: Offline Points: 13512 |
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You are comparing a large volume of water in a plastic container to a very small volume of water surrounded by cast iron. A cup of water in the freezer is an extreme example of a hard cold snap, where the crystals/grains don't have time to grow in a preferential direction. I don't have enough experience with cracking engine blocks to go much further past this. |
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joe_schindler ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: October-14-2009 Location: Benbrook, TX Status: Offline Points: 20 |
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One thing I’d like to know from the “fill your engine with antifreeze” bunch is; which freezes first; nothing, or antifreeze?
Not all antifreeze is created equally. |
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WakeSlayer ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-15-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2138 |
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^^Which is why you drain first.^^
One question I have is when you read the jugs of RV AF I used, they say "guaranteed burst protection to -50* F." I highly doubt the AF company is going to come across with a new engine, despite the guarantee they offer for all applications, including marine engines. |
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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and GD, here i thought things shrank when they froze
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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BTW, if I cant drink it straight, its poisen
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WhiteLakeSkier ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July-03-2009 Location: White Lake, NY Status: Offline Points: 197 |
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Surprisingly enough, the pink AF is cleared for use in food products by the FDA. Interesting. Soon the lake that my marina is on will be pink, edible, and available for use all year!!
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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im afraid of the rust additives
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WhiteLakeSkier ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July-03-2009 Location: White Lake, NY Status: Offline Points: 197 |
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oh don't worry, im sure the additives would just clean the digestive tract right up
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GottaSki ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: April-21-2005 Location: NE CT Status: Offline Points: 3341 |
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My pool noodles have been in service since spring of '96. I'll reach in grab one, let you know how its fairing.
I suspect they are fine, but I'm sure its a lot easier to renoodle than to refoam. |
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SN206 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: February-25-2009 Location: Fort Worth, TX Status: Offline Points: 2339 |
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Please pardon my ignorance, but how would I fog it(ZR6)? When I was a kid we would just pour some marvel down the carb, but in this case...Should I pull the plugs and just squirt some in the cylinders? I'll likely use it on New Years Day, or down at St. John's at the latest so should I even bother? |
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Fl Inboards ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-20-2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2082 |
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Would not bother!
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Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.
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harddock ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June-04-2008 Location: Toontown, MA Status: Offline Points: 1763 |
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The ones I checked were used in an indoor pool with virtually no sitting out in the sun. I would try empty soda bottles if I was doing one over. |
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SN206 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: February-25-2009 Location: Fort Worth, TX Status: Offline Points: 2339 |
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Sadly enough, have not used it in a month, should I still not worry about it, and is there any ethonal-free gas in FL?
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WakeSlayer ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-15-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2138 |
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What a treat they would be to remove. WLS, cleared by the FDA? I do recall seeing the statement "generally regarded as safe" on the label. Not sure that really means approved for use, or not. |
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Fl Inboards ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-20-2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2082 |
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Sadly enough just about everything around here is aat least 10% Ethanol. Before you put it up for the winter use Valvtect Ethanol Gasoline treatment. Should also use it through out the season. Check out the web site, good stuff! http://www.valvtect.com/ |
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Hobby Boats can be expensive when the hobbyist is limited on their own skill and expertise.
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behindpropeller ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: July-31-2006 Status: Offline Points: 1810 |
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Your local airport. |
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WhiteLakeSkier ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July-03-2009 Location: White Lake, NY Status: Offline Points: 197 |
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-Because of its low chronic oral toxicity, propylene glycol is generally recognized as safe (GRAS) for use as a direct food additive.
applications: -As a humectant food additive, labeled as E number E1520 mmmmm good to the last drop |
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WakeSlayer ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-15-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2138 |
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^^wow^^
I will pass. What in the hell would you add that too, foodwise? |
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Mike N
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WhiteLakeSkier ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July-03-2009 Location: White Lake, NY Status: Offline Points: 197 |
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I read they put it in animal food and in pills. No thanks!
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Tim D ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-23-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2637 |
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There's three gas stations near me that sell ethanol free, 87 octane. The way I winterize mine, mentioned earlier has worked for me. About 5 years ago we had some unusual cold weather, freezing rain, 2 foot long ice. Here's a pic.
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imdeeds ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: October-02-2007 Location: mooresville IN Status: Offline Points: 31 |
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Dont know much about freezing.I build large field sprayers and we have to winterize them.A few years ago we was talking about rv antifreeze and a guy said"a half glass of rv antifreeze will get you effed up".I am real sure he knew for a fact.By the way is this the correct thread to talk about the best oil,Obama,and religion?
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WakeSlayer ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-15-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2138 |
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No, just child rearing. |
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Do they have Coast Guard approved soda bottles (that's 'pop' west of the 'ol Miss)? ![]() Kidding aside - I really think this is a legitimate idea - would there be risk that these would move around & squeak going over waves? How about material degradation when exposed to oil or . . . A/F in the spring? |
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