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eric lavine
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SN, give me 5 things or products that could make this country a global leader and prosper, take this figure, 150 million and times that roughly by 25 thousand and tell me what you come up with, right now about 50% of that figure is being wire transfered to another country....imagine the taxes not generated on that lost income. oh yeah put a bungee on your gas pedal just in case lol
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eric lavine
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make America, American again, in my eyes you tundra boys should be pulling a toyata epic, if you were as loyal as you are to Correct Craft...and im sure one of your first reasons you own a CC is because it is made right here in the good ole USA. you have no ideas of the quality issues of these cars. have an open mind when you go look for a new car, just dont head down to the Toyota or Honda dealer go drive a chrysler, ford or chevy and im sure you will be surprised.
it just seems the 20 to 35 generation is fixated on these foriegn cars, put your neighbor back to work not our foriegn friends |
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peter1234
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1 leg or both
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former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go
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peter1234
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blind or deaf
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former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go
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86BFN
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Silent or Screamer...
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peter1234
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i think we should argue
red head or blond , dark skin or freckles pleasently plump or twiggy stay at home or power woman older than you or younger athlete or painted and puffed |
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former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go
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SN206
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Funny, just got a call from a Toyota rep. I was told that the issue in most cases appears to be a "sticky" then later stuck accelerator. Most are aware of the problems before the later. I was told the replacement part was still in production and that they would later mail out the official recall letter to bring it in. |
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05 210
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Oh no. Not the domestic vs foreign debate again. How 'bout we change the subject to something less contraversial. Like oil w/ ZDDP additives
I do not agree w/ Toyota covering this up initially, but the simple fact is most of the parts on cars are produced by vendors. When there is a recall, it's usually the vendors fault, not the manufacturers. I read somewhere recently that Ford is investigating gas pedals made by the same company as a precaution. Bottom line..... these things can happen to any automaker be it Toyota,Ford,Hyundai,GM assembled in the USA or assembled oversees. It is a global economy now and I doubt that it will change anytime soon. I don't care where a company is based out of, if they make good products and stand behind them,and take care of me "the customer" the way I think they should then they will get my business. My sister had a 6 month old BMW last year that was giving her issues. It was in the shop for a repeat repair and the manager of the dealership called her and said.....and I quote: "Why don't you just come pick out a new car.We will not be able to take care of this situation in a reasonable amount of time and want you to be happy." They gave her a brand new car, same model, a year newer ,zero miles, & upgraded her to an auto trans for no extra charge.They did not have it in stock, had to get it from another dealer, and gave her a brand new car to drive for the 2 weeks it took to get it. How many domestic car companies do you think would have done that? Mike |
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SN206
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Sorry for the rant. Yes, I am a Chevy fan and am doing my part by buying a new one this spring. I'll allow the original topic to return by asking has anyone heard what Toyota is planning to do to fix the root cause of the recall?
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SN206
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Agree, and yes I would really really like GM and others to succeed. However, GM allowed it to happen for reasons a lot of people find hard to swallow and they themselves should own up to that. But, with that being said the exact same thing is happening to several U.S. industries and it receives far less press because of our administration's choke hold on the press or their particular policy at that time. Take gasoline / oil / or natural gas for instance. Take a minute to think were it is coming from when you’re filling that tank up and drinking your slurpee. There is a 10 out of 12 chance your buying it from a root country who at this very minute would rather see you and your family dead than anything else. That is a "desicion you make" every day rather than every three to six years. Why not make a point to buy American "product" rather than Chavez' or Mohammed’s. Why not support that industry or any others that can be made or produced here in the U.S.? In, closing if that particular person "makes $35+ dollars an hour pushing a broom", all I can say is that is really f**cked up when someone driving an ambulance or a teacher makes a third of that. You want a change? We all want the "real good times" back. It's too late for us. You have to start with the youth and instill a work ethic in them that you had when you were young. Revamp the education system so that we can compete not only in the auto industry, but more importantly the world market. So that a teacher can leave her broom pushing job and get back into the classroom and make and impact. |
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Donald80SN
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I have always been a Chevy Fan and own two ( 87, 2004) right now. My company provides me with a 08 Ford Taurus and I have really been impressed with this car for the 70 K Miles that I have driven it.
People who say America can not build qualilty really need to drive some of these cars before they just buy a foreign model. However, I now struggle that my GM is now run by Obama. JMO. My Boat is powered by FORD. Donald |
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MI-nick
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seriously though, how many people does honda employ in ohio?? how many of them own boats that break down??
there is a very good reason the camry, accord, civic, and corolla outsell any american car by a large margin and there is a very good reason most of the foreign owned auto plants are down south. as much as many people wish we did, we don't live in the 1950's anymore. |
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Riley
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I had a beautiful '94 F150 for 11 years. Its transmision was made in Japan by Mazda. And the Mazda PUs were Rangers. |
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Gotta love the Ericonomics!! What's next, they're going to tell us Kirin Beer is Better then Budweiser or Coors Light.
The whole my Foreign Car was built here BS has always driven me crazy. Buy American as it may be your own job or business that it saves one day!! |
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eric lavine
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BTW, as you drive down the road count the ratio of foriegn cars to american cars, the ratio is about 60/40
you tell me what this country can produce and sell to make it viable in the world economy, I'll never sell out again and that comes from a family of UAW's, i dont care if they were paying someone to push a broom for 38.00's an hour, that means he could afford a boat that would break and i could fix it. lol |
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eric lavine
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your not old enough to remember real good times, the 70s when one person worked and the mother stayed home and took care of thier children instilling values, the father went off to make valves or stamped doors on a 50 hour week socking money away in auto stocks, and devoted the weekends to his family, 2 cars in the drive, they lived in a modest 2500 sq ft home proudly purchased on one income. we went to school with no fears of getting shot or to pass the time we went outside and played with things that kept us thin.
General motors was so large at one time the US government wanted to step in for fears of a take over. then the 80's hit 1 out of 100 cars on the road were nip cars because the US carmakers started to push some junk thus starting to loose the market share and the persona begun with Jap cars are better than american cars and that stuck. it flowed over to your generation along with values not learned because now ma and pa are both are at work trying to srape a living, the big three are geared to supply millions of cars, paying bennies to retirees, paying good wages but they are not selling cars, the only solution is to diversify, have parts made in Mexico, Canada, even Tiawan, just to compete, sell off divisions that are below normal profit margins to sustaine. a car is an average of a 25k investment stretched over a period of 3 to 6 yearswith interest. now i would say from start to finish to ASSEMBLE a nip car in one of your so called american built foriegn pos factories down south that they set up in some cornfield, maybe 100 man hours at 15 bucks an hour, that equates to about 1500.00 to build a nipper in the US, and yes the profits dont stay here they are re-invested into Japans economy or China's economy and now South Korea's economy. I really dont give a *************** what car you drive because the damage is done and thats what drops us into recessions or much worse depressions, Our government didnt do this to us, it was the every day choice we make that did that to us. In closing its not about what you go out and buy its what caused the mess were in as i said i bought a new nipper in 1986 and it rotted to the ground because I too believed thier cars were superior. it is 2010 and the American car companies figured out how to build a quality product and the nips are pushing some real POS's on the americans and snickering and counting |
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SN206
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When I test drove trucks recently (open-minded) to purchase new, it became real obvious that the Tundra was the clearly the 1/2 ton truck leader. I am real big Chevy fan and it was a no-brainer on which truck to choose. My company provides me a new Ford every year and I'm far from impressed so I ruled out the F-150. I understand the loyalty that others have and have a complete appreciation for that. The worse thing about this recall (And every manufacturer has had them) is the stopping of production of numerous Toyota models. Consider the number of American auto workers (a lot more than you think) in the south that is now laid of (w/o salary...UAW) and are trying to care for their families. Am I pissed about this whole recall thing..?Yes. I am I eating my words now when I talking up my Toyota truck to all my buddies…? Yes. I’m just looking at the big picture. It is a no win situation for a lot of people in the south who are employed by Toyota or Honda, Mercedes ect.
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SN206
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PAPA
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Ford is not majority owned by a foreign company (Mazda). Ford actually owned a minority share in Mazda until last year when they sold it off.
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MI-nick
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thanks for the support eric...how many people does honda employ in ohio??
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As far as I can tell, I'm not quite sure...
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SN206
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Please correct if wrong, but I was told Ford was majority owned by a foreign company (Mazda). This is a question and not a statement Eric.
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"Fly by wire" (no mechanical linkage) is not just found in high end cars. I'd say the majority of cars now don't have a cable attached, and it's just a throttle position sensor that goes to the engines ECU. From what I've read on the Toyota issue, the very pedals in question are in fact electronic. |
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Ford posted its first profit since 2005, the company seems to have turned it around. They have been getting good press for some time now, and it seems the American public is coming back to them. Now we just need GM and Chrysler back healthy again building cars that are of high quality and what we want. I think GM will make it, but not so sure about Chrysler. As for Toyota,they sure dragged their feet on that recall and now they are paying the price, glad I don't have one.
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Not really that relavant but we own a Pontiac..not a bad work vehichle. A Jeep Liberty...not a bad tow vehicle.
We purchased a Ford Fusion last December for Dana and that car for the money is really a pretty nice car to get around in. No luxury in any of them but the value of the Ford is pretty darn good. Only regret I have is that the 2010 Hybrid was not out when we were looking, that is supposed to be quite a vehicle for the price. |
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Ok Eric, now tell us how you really feel!
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eric lavine
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I will start this post with i have bought a foriegn car new in the past, when the times were different, when chrysler was offering the k car, chevy was offering the chevette, ford was offering the tempo-rary...the were trying to push some real POS on us.
Its 2010 the stock market will crash again, In the winter time i work on both American and asian cars, to start american car qaulity is far superior to the jap cars, to repair a jap car is twice the price, we put them on the frame rack and they tear apart at the seams all the spot welds pop and there are less of them, the steel used is thinner, and they are passing off what the big three did in the 80's. thier cost of business is much less because of benefits and to pass off a kia made right here in Westpoint Geargia is the biggest marketing scam on this earth. i see more totaled jap cars than american cars because of quality. everybody right and left are looking to a guy to get this economy going, when Clinton left office there was 500 billion dollars in surplus, when Bush left we were 2 trillion in deficit and that was dropped on a mans lap, he looked to the left and said if you have a better solution on the healthcare crisis i extend my invitation to you to sit down and we will discuss this and work it out. it really is fcd out there and is getting worse at least in my town, fixing a country starts at me and you, if 300,000,000 million Americans refused or boycotted to buy one of those jap tin cans for one year, the smoke stacks at all of these shutdown buildings.... the smoke would blow again, there is a struggle in Washington on how the economy is going to be fixed and they dont have the answers. I hope Toyota falls so hard on its ass, to a point to where it cant recover. i feel better now, floormats my ass |
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MI-nick
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Toyota pays me locally, and in return I supported eric locally last spring... |
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Ryan..........Your not alone. I know I'm asking for it by publishing it here but I own one them Camrys. Kim and I both love the car. We looked at all makes and the Yota was the nicest of them all. I do however tow the boat with an 86 Chevy or 00 Durango. I'm doing my part. |
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SN206
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I hope so.
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