Health care

Phil, I did not define rich. Our politicians seem to have defined it as individuals making over 200K and household over 250K. Based on your previous post, you seem to have accepted this definition. No, I am not rich. In fact, I am currently unemployed.

Eric, the rich (as our politicians have apparently defined it) already do pay most of the taxes. The top 5% of earners now pay more than the remaining 95%. By the way, the top half of wage earners pay about 95% percent of all income taxes. Half the population is paying less than 5% of the taxes - yet that is not enough?

Eric, the uber rich of whom you speak are what they are. Some have had it since the day they were born. They are a small percentage of the population, and, as said, they pay an inordinate portion of the taxes.

The better question, is why do the vast majority of Americans somehow feel entitled to live a life of those much wealthier than they actually are? Why do they feel entitled to take money from those who have it?

Yes, there are those who stuggle paycheck to paycheck. I have been there myself at times. However, the numbers show that our nation is one whose majority chooses to spend money we should not, that makes poor choices, that fails to take advantage of education and other opportunities available, and then expects the very small minority to feel sorry for the majority, and bear the cost of poor decisions. As a majority we seem to have developed a sense that we all should live as though we are rich - big houses, expensive cars, top flight medical care, $200 tennis shoes, whether we have earned it or not.

Approximatley 30% of those making under 50K are smokers. At $5 a pack, and let's say a pack a day, that's over $1500 per year that could be going to milk, gasoline, or health insurance.

On average, 4 year college graduates make twice as much as those with high school degrees.

The average price of a new car sold in the US is over $28K, despite lots of cars available under that price.

This is a country where we are in fact free to make choices. But, others should not be required to pay for our choices.

BKH

eric lavine wrote: come on Skicat, red nose Bush had a couple of faults in him, or are we just overlooking that and attacking a more Humane president, I really dont care for some of his policys, but he persueded the majority to pass a bill that couldnt be passed in 100 years, the jist of this bill is about regulating insurance companies, crossing statelines to create competition and end the monopoly's. the charts i posted are real charts and if you cant see something wrong there, then you better take another look at them. its not socialized medicine as the pubby's and activists on the payroll TRIED to brainwash everybody what it is or was going to be, a government takeover, btw...the same thing thats happening in Iraq, our government taking over under the same side that got us over there. that doesnt seem to bother anyone. that choice shouild be easy, fight some towels or take care of our own, we are no safer now than we were 20 years ago. an exuse is an excuse

Come on now Eric,

You tha man of the site. Bush had his faults, yes I agree.. He stuck to the war to long, but gurantee he was why you could lay your head down every night in pieace. Freedom aint for free! Them ragheads are terroists and they can never be tamed to doing the right thing.
Rich do put themselves on a pedal stool, but you need to realize cause of them, we are where we are today because of them. Screw the rich and suck there blood and give to the illegals that do NOT belong..
It is socialized medicine bro, it is about taking from others and giving to people that do not deserve this service. Democrats are all about "Redisturbting Wealth", take from the rich and give to the poor. Aint Right! This new bill shows it and will screw the "Middle Class" and the "Poor". You wait and see my friend.
There next bill they will try to pass is to allow illigal immagrants to become citizens of easy citizenship. Screw that!

skicat2001 wrote: There next bill they will try to pass is to allow illigal immagrants to become citizens of easy citizenship. Screw that!

For the 3rd time.... How many times do we allow illegals to become instant citizens before we stop the illegals.

did you guys know that more metal is used in this country to make bottle caps, than it does to make cars?
I read somewhere that the majority of Correct Craft owners are upper middleclass, i better start hanging around the Bayliner site lol

65 'cuda wrote: The wealthy pay the vast majority of the taxes, they have the vast majority of the wealth. All the numbers quoted are saying that the top wage earners pay a disproportionate share of the taxes. Of course, the very wealthiest Americans don't earn wages, Warren Buffet admits he pays a lower tax rate than his secretary.

Some have wealth in which they are able to live off only investments and, therefore, pay taxes at capital gains rates. To imply that all those who the government has classified as "rich" are able to do so is misleading. There are millions who the politicians have classified as "rich" who earn wages, and the capital gains tax rate is available to anyone willing to invest rather than spend.

BKH

We are slowly removing all incentives for people to get up in the morning and be productive.

Every factory worker is subject to a possible mandatory drug test.
Every welfare recipient is not. What's wrong with this picture?

My friends Gary, Roger, Ernest, Don Adams, and Bruce Hart;

Yall all said it just like it is.. Great to see my "Conservative" buddies come out..
O yea the best part of the bill, I forgot to tell. Is this a socialist bill, off course, complete goverment owned and operated. Premiums at all insurance companies will sky freeking rocket, then small business owners, will not offer insurance to there employees anymore, so the Goverment will "Penalize" you and the companies a rather large fee. 100 a head to start, then 800 the next year. Then penalize people that are not even working.. What? Sounds like socialism to me, Goverment Owned..

Great talking to all you guys on this matter.. Lets go boating..

harddock wrote: Every factory worker is subject to a possible mandatory drug test. Every welfare recipient is not. What's wrong with this picture?

That's Hor***************!

Phosper,
No offense, but, we could post talking points and surveys all day long and never change an opinion. When you post:

"The rich pay a lot of taxes as a total percentage of taxes collected, but they don’t pay a lot of taxes as a percentage of what they can afford to pay"

I dont need to read anymore, I know what camp you are in. You want to control what people can earn, and how they can spend it. That is where I feel like my pursuit of happiness is being invaded on. Please read below (from Wilkapedia):

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs) is a slogan popularized by Karl Marx in his 1875 Critique of the Gotha Program.[1] The phrase summarizes the principles that, under a communist system, every person should contribute to society to the best of his or her ability and consume from society in proportion to his or her needs. In the Marxist view, such an arrangement will be made possible by the abundance of goods and services that a developed communist society will produce; the idea is that there will be enough to satisfy everyone's needs

Oh, by the way, about 30% of docs are members of the AMA!!

Nothing personal, but you are full of it.

Phosper dont be "Narrow" minded.. I aint rich, far from it.. Thankful to not live in Russia, or a socialist owned country.. Proud to be an American.

But as you said in a previous post, we have not lost any freedom.. This health reform bill is the start of our freedom waving "BYE BYE".

The goverment now "OWNS" the medical field and all desicions tied to it. So enjoy it Phosper, you wanted it, not us!

phospher wrote: I know right..God forbid that a doctor went into his profession for the sake of helping people and is satisfied making a good wage.

WHAT???????

Kinda of an oxymoron quote for someone who doesn't believe in God isn't it?


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Morfoot wrote: phospher wrote: I know right..God forbid that a doctor went into his profession for the sake of helping people and is satisfied making a good wage. WHAT??????? Kinda of an oxymoron quote for someone who doesn't believe in God isn't it? We now return to your regularly scheduled programming.

Funny, I kind of thought one of you would say that and I actually thought about putting "Figure of speech" in parentheses. But since you brought it up do you think God would be a capitalist? Think he would be against this health care bill?   Ok, maybe we shouldn't get into that :)

I just got a grand idea.... Tax the churches!


"We are not talking chump change here. Consider that for every tax dollar a religious organization does not pay, you and I pay it on its behalf. Many are among the wealthiest organizations in the world: by 1971, the amount of real and personal property owned by U.S. churches was approx. $110 billion. In New York City alone, the amount was $3 billion in 1989. A 1986 estimate showed religious income in that year of approx. $100 billion, or about five times the income of the five largest corporations in the U.S. All tax free".

Not to mention that WE are going to have to pay for abortions by those who are to stupid to keep it in their pants or by using other means of birth control. For SOME, it WILL be their method and I'm paying for it. That is just WRONG! No IF'S AND'S or BUT'S!