Health care

Tax Cuts, I wonder who is paying for the tax cuts.. HHHHMMMMMMM I wonder.. Us!

it really is mind boggling, I find the best way to get info is right from the horses mouth c-span, if Rush dropped today, i would give him a good send off, thats the kinda of guy that makes me sick, he is in my terms Wealthy and they should tax the fck out of him....he is a loud mouth drug abusing, brainwashing ashole....should a guy like him pay more tax, yes....should a guy like Jay Leno, Conan, Tiger, Letterman, Oprah.....yes they should. thay dont carry PHD's....how much is to much? these are the filthy rich. dont tax the guy who is working 16 hours a day busting 6 figures....these guys take money and are complete f-ups and feed off of the poor, and set up schools in different countries...as for the big one

eric lavine wrote: btw, I fear winning the lottery because i would turn into one of them....

It would be ok as long as you bought the beer at the reunions.

skicat2001 wrote: I am begining wonder about this Phosper guy.. You have been brain washed by the CNN.. The "Communist Channel"!! You need to start listening to FOX News, Bill O'Reilley, or Glenn Beck, or even the pill poper Rush Limbaugh.. They tell the truth phosper.. Look face it, you on the wrong team, and your kids since this Obama charater is in there they owe lots of money and they have not even done anything yet..

Wow, those are very ignorant comments. Fox News, The most biased news channel of them all. There in lies the problem. All you do is watch FoxNews the biggest right wing propaganda machine. Like Eric mentioned you might want to give C-Span a shot and change it up a bit. I don't think I need to even address Limbaugh... Beck? Yeah, Beck and his 23 Million dollar salary has your interests in mind all right. What a clown,
The fear monger in chief spreading hate and conspiracy theories. I'll quote someone you may have heard of. Mark Levin called Beck "Mindless," "incoherent," and "pathetic". Furthermore, Beck has referred to himself as an, "entertainer" and also said, "if you take what I say as gospel, you're an idiot".

critter wrote: I am sure that these new Fees will not be passed on to the consumers. 2011 - Drugmakers - 2.5 Billion fee 2012 - Drugmakers - 3 Billion fee each year thru 2016 2014 - Insurance co - 8 Billion fee 2015 - Insurance co - 11.3 Billion fee 2017 - Drugmakers - 3.5 Billion fee 2017 - Insurance co - 13.9 Billion fee 2018 - Drugmaker - 4.2 Billion fee 2018 - Insurance co - 14.3 Billion fee http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-22-health-you_N.htm

Critter, that was a pretty good article. Breaks things down pretty nicely. But as far as your premiums comments go;



Americans’ premiums will go up. Americans’ premiums will go down.

The battle over what happens to insurance premium costs under the bill was most pronounced during President Obama’s health care summit Feb. 25. Obama and Republican Sen. Lamar Alexander of Tennessee argued over whether premiums would increase (Alexander’s view) or decrease (Obama’s), compared with what premiums would do in the absence of legislation. The truth is that for most people, premiums wouldn’t change significantly.

The Congressional Budget Office estimated that for those in the group market — those who get insurance through their employers — premiums would largely stay the same. The change in the average premium in the large group market would be between 0 percent and a 3 percent decrease, for instance, compared with where they’d be under current law in 2016. The average premiums for those who buy insurance on their own would go up, however, by 10 percent to 13 percent. The reason is that benefits would become a lot better for this market under the bill. Also, most people buying their own coverage would receive subsidies that make their net costs for these plans substantially lower than they otherwise would be.

src: factcheck.org

emccallum wrote: Phospor, What a stretch, comparing smoking to listening to opinions. Do you really believe this garbage you type, or is it just for fun? Somewhere back in my head I recall free speech as being protected. I guess it is only protected if YOU think it is ok. Heck, I support your right to be a socialist/liberal/big brother or whatever it is you are. Have at it. I guess if Air America would have survived and did better than conservative talk radio, that would be great. Or would you support some kind of subsidy to bring "equal viewpoints" to radio like the fairness doctrine being pushed. But guess what...like most liberal ideas, they stink and aren't sustainable. . For some reason, I get this impression of you sitting on the back of your yacht, in Nantucket, sipping a martini, ascot and blue blazer (or perhaps a pink sweater draped over your shoulders), collar turned up, discussing how YOU now what is best for us regular people.

Well, your image of me is no where near how I am. First of all, I would never wear a sweater unless it's to work. I wear mainly hooded sweatshirts with flat brim hats. Personally, I am not one for yuppie dressing and I think it makes you look gay. Not that I have anything against gays they just tend to dress really nice. Second of all, If you were not referring to how the free market works then I was mistaken. The idea that the market will always pick what's best is a bunch of sht. Shouldn't that be evident with the recent financial meltdown? I like free markets but I want some government supervision to correct market failures and ensure stability.

Phospor,
Fox news is the ONLY station allowed on US Goverment Military Installations (we watch at lunch) It's a joke that President Obama dosen't realise it's on.
As far as ins. premiums go (I have fed bc&bs) I'll kiss your a$$ in public if mine goes down next year and you kiss mine if it goes up LET"S BET !!!

eric lavine wrote: ....should a guy like him pay more tax, yes., Tiger,

Tiger made a mistake, but at least he plays the right game.. Hole-to-Hole.. No QUIR ***************..

Yea I hope them liberals try to come take my guns away. Cause if you are, I got a full artilery waiting for ya.. Come get em! I dare ya..

phospher wrote: skicat2001 wrote: Yea I hope them liberals try to come take my guns away. Cause if you are, I got a full artilery waiting for ya.. Come get em! I dare ya.. Calm down Rush. No one is going to take your guns. Quit the fear mongering. I swear only in the south......

Nancy Peoliski might..

Rush Limbaugh, Steve Beck, Shawn Hannity, or Bill O' Reiley are the kings.. Great guys that tell the truth!

Thank you Riley.. Some people dont listen.. The right to bear arms, them democrats do not like guns or war. They dont understand that most other countries do not like the United States.

I pray and hope for my sake and my little nieaces sake, by then, that other countries dont start nuclear war. But they want to take our guns, and we not at war.. Yea ok..

emccallum wrote: Well, we did have a lot of oversight in the financial markets. We had Barney Frank spewing that Fannie and Freddie were doing just fine about 6 mos prior to the meltdown. We had the feds pushing the banks to lighten lending requirements to unheard of levels, so everyone could be a homeowner, remember the Community Reinvestment Act??? It basically said you loan to people you normally wouldn't loan to or we will punish you! So they did, Fannie and Freddie bought the bad mortgages. Well, guess who gets to keep funding F&F? The taxpayer! That my friend is no where near free market, that is gvt corruption. Has Barney or Chris Dodd ever been held accountable? No. You need to get your head out of the boob tube and do some research and find out the facts. Gvt intervention has got us into this mess, and more of the same will not bring us out. Do a google search on finacial housing crisis, and learn the history. We haven't had free markets for a long time!

Yes, I remember quit well. Bush bragging about home ownership being at an all time high. I remember Bush's home ownership initiatives.. And to be fair a lot of democrats supported this crap too because of course they are also influenced by big business and the financial sector.


A lot of oversight? What the hell are you talking about? I learned in history (probably back in grade school)that we emerged from the great depression with a tightly regulated banking system. It wasn't until 4 decades later when Reagan got into office that they started to deregulate the financial markets which lead to the savings-and-loan crisis. Do you recall in 2003 when top bank regulators posed for the photo op of them cutting the red tape?

Recall any of this?

1)The partial repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999 allowed commercial banks to get involved in risky investments, such as mortgage-backed securities. (yeah the GOP sent it to Clinton and the dumb ass signed it)
2)Alternative Mortgage Transactions Parity Act of 1982
3) The Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 guaranteed that high-risk tools such as credit default swaps remained unregulated, opting instead to encourage a “self-regulation” that never happened.
4) A 2004 rule change by the SEC permitted big firms to keep too much debt on their balance sheets.

And a whole slew of others that I'm to lazy to look up right now.

But you probably think that the only bad loans were given to poor people and minorities. Never mind the catastrophe in commercial real estate and the greedy bankers. And that all bad loans were given by the government even though the truth is that private lenders actually made the vast majority of sub-prime loans.

Hey Craig,
Great Post! He has handled himself very well, and I do not hate anyone that has different beleifs than me. I think though what we have seen of the Democrats as they have finally got there chance and completley control the goverment, to "Change" the world for good, but can not. As the world was fallening and needing change, it has really gone the wrong way.

Some of the views of a Democrat are unethical to the values of America for how it started, as they want to change everything and lead to "Big" goverment movements and ownership. I am not in to that.. There beleifs into gun control, no war, abortion, same sex marriage, and higher taxes, does not sound correct for me.

But like you said, we having a friendly battle on poltics and everyone has not gotten angry here, as you can tell everyone grown adults here.. I have enjoyed this discussion, everyone in good with me..

You know the housing market has crashed? Democrat Bill "Cigar" Clinton..

Passed the bill that anyone making 9.00hr can buy a house of 300,000 dollars..

Let's hope obesity because in my state we want people to smoke, as much as the state government wants you to believe otherwise. Every couple of years when they need more tax renenue, they raise the cigarette tax a buck. Nobody cares except the smokers.   When the smokers are gone, we're going to have another financial crisis on our hands. Maybe they ought to have an obesity tax.