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The blue oil pan is covering the supercharger....


Tim, looking good as always.

I bet the coosa cost you per sheet.


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Raindog, what heads does the 8.1 have. I would think the exhaust ports would be the same on tims 454 as the 496 since hes got rectangular port openings.

Just curious. I dont know much about the pythons but the entice me
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RainDog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-26-2010 at 11:49pm
Don't really know. I've only read that the 454/502 are interchangeable but the 8.1/496 is not.

PCM made Pythons out of the 502 block until 2002 when they switched to the 496, a 6 cu in difference WakeSlayer will never let me live down.

The only other thing I know is that the 502 is a big bore, stock stroke 454 but the 496 is standard bore, lengthened stroke.

Maybe some harecore bow tie folks know more.
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That's very interesting. I did not know that about the big blocks.

Tim-where did you guys find those EMI's? I saw a pair on an offshore boat racing site a few months ago. Curious if that was the same pair
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I have the Python head info somewhere. I just went through a complete computer conversion, when I can get my sh!t together I will post it.

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Tim, thats the old style, if it works it will be just fine...i was critiquing...thats a tough one to spell, you know what i mean
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The 496 is the Gen 6 GM big block (8.1L). I dont believe any parts carried over from the earlier versions. The 502 (gen 5) is a slightly taller block than the 454 (mark iv), but many parts interchange- heads, exhaust, etc.

There are a ton of parts for the 496 out there- you just have to know where to look. Not quite as many as the 502/454, but theyre out there. Nothing is cheap on these things!

I found the EMI's on Craigslist in Nevada. We were torn on whether to go old school (aluminum logs) or new school (new header/manifolds) but the price on these was good enough to jump on. While theyre billed as a stock Mercruiser replacement (dimensions-wise), they are several inches taller than the old manifolds we had on there, and a bit wider as well. We may have clearance issues when we drop the box over them. The intake and new valve covers are on their way and the roller rockers showed up last week. Just have to place a misc gasket/bolts/pushrods order and it should be ready to bolt together.

Didnt get as much done on the hull as I was hoping this weekend- too many projects going on at once. The fillets on the mains should be done now, and dad has a bunch of templates in process for the front bulkheads... hopefully we'll get some of this stuff glassed in soon. We did a fit check on the cradle and it set in nicely... so far so good.
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Quick update... Ive been delinquent with pictures.

Last weekend we got the mains taped down and the keel bedded.



This week Dad filleted and taped down the keel. His first solo glass work... came out sweet.





Today we prepped everything for the top wrap, then got that down.


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Wrapped:





The secondaries are cut top and bottom- just need the transom angle put on them. Tomorrow we'll get them bedded.
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Nice clean work guys!!
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Slick job there Tim, shall be interesting how the toothing you have done under the bow is used.
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Roger, we're using the lip of the old floor as our guide to rebuilding the structure level. The toothing youre seeing in front are where we cut some pieces out to facilitate making templates for the bulkheads.

Secondaries are now bedded.





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Those look like brand new weights!
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they should be on ice, not wood
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Weights are the same as last time... we've been gravitating towards the Sam Summers in dad's fridge!

Dad is hoping to get the secondaries taped in this week. Since theyre so close to the mains, we've decided to lighten the schedule up a little- only going 2/4/8/Biax.
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gotta 40 wellcraft coming, not winterized, 2 bbc's, open checkbook and wants more power....if you could only see the smile, once in a while you get the peanuts instead of the shells.
i gotta figure these out, flats with rectangles, 370 stock, i want to get him to the 400 mark...what do ya think Tim, both lefties, maybe I'll go after the pistons...
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Eric, from what Ive read, you need a bit of compression on the BBC's to make good power. Im not sure what the Mercs came with for a stock CR... so find out what pistons are in it now. The rectangles should have ~118cc chambers, Im guessing it has either 990 or 088 castings. If you have at least 9:1, then just an intake and a cam swap will have you close to 450hp.

Of course, this is all theory until we get ours wet!
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im battling 1990 technology, and feel by camming and intake i will get to that 400 mark, I got both engines yesterday, slight dome in the pistons, merc aluminum intake, 2.300 with the 118's. all the right stuff...i could fit a fist in the runners....once in a while i get excited about running a boat, I have 2 on the list, the Zodiac diesel with foot bolsters, and this one
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Dad finished glassing the secondaries this week. Its surprising how solid the hull feels now with just the stringers in... still missing all the bulkheads and ribs.

Today we spent perfecting the bulkhead templates and getting them cut out and shaped. Hopefully they'll get pre-glassed this week. Next step after that will be to do the same on the rear ribs, then start cutting holes in all the pieces for the battery box and vent and blower hoses.

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Bulkheads shaped and resting in place:





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Benj,

Looking really good. I agree those weights should be in the fridge, not on the stringers...LOL!

It is pretty surprising how stiff things get huh? I noticed that too. Since my top cap was off, mine was really flimsy as I took things out, until things were back in. The most noticeable for me was when the deck got attached to the outer hull sides.

You are coming along nicely. I like how you're doing the ribs all the way across as one piece. Is that typical for this type of Nautique or are you altering that from original?
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Oh wow... Hollywood...it's on the tee
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Originally posted by Okie Boarder Okie Boarder wrote:

I like how you're doing the ribs all the way across as one piece. Is that typical for this type of Nautique or are you altering that from original?

Thats how the BFN's (and presumably the other v-hulls) were built. We're deviating from original in a few ways- since we're not foaming, we're adding a bunch of ribs (in the rear, to the sides of the secondaries) and bulkheads(in front of the stringers, which go full width). This should provide more support for the hull and floor. Our spacing is ~10-12".

Here is a picture of Buffalo's '88 BFN. He kept his closer to the stock configuration.

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Tim, this may have been mentioned but that steering wheel has got to GO, like, NOW. Worst. Steering wheel. Ever.
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Joel, Im surprised no one has mentioned that- youre correct, its fugly. Thanks to Chris (Storm34) we've got an original one going back on once the rebuild is done. For now, that cheesy one does a good job holding the shop light in place.
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Hey Tim,

Tried to call you this weekend, but from the looks of things you were pretty busy. You think maybe you can give me a call when you get off work tonight? You have the number.

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Brian- you bet, Ill give you a buzz tonight. I remember seeing your missed call now that you mention it... this weekend was a blur!
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

... this weekend was a blur!


Don't drink too many weights Tim! Progress looks great!
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So Tim you foaming any of the front area? I just finished up the stereo re-install on the 85 now its got some good tunes. and alittle bit of bass. Thanks to Morfoot's speaker boxes they worked out great. I built a customer 8" sub box and mounted it in front of the vent lines. and put my amp rack hanging from the deck under the bow. I will post some pics later after I clean out the boat of the mess i made lol. I am off this weekend the 24th if i have time would love to stop by to see the progress myself lol.
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So you'll have 7 bulkheads including the front of the bilge? You know if it can't bend, it'll break.

How far forward did you run the keel?

I like the floor tabs you left for reference, sweet. Yall are doing some super nice work; clean and clearly well planned out.
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Greg, good point- I do expect the boat to be solid! Ive had a few conversations with Joe regarding glass schedules... we're bedding and filleting 2 of the bulkheads shown, plus the narrower one that we've yet to build that will form the front of the bilge. Everything else will just be taped with 2/4/8.

Our keel board only runs as far forward as the original one did. We did bring it further back (and the mains further forward) though. Thanks for the comments- thats high praise coming from you!

Phil, yes the front 2 and a half cavities are getting foamed. Basically the front 3, minus the area under the battery box in that 3rd cavity. That will be the forward most drain point. The foam will hold all of the pipes in place, give a little bit of sound deadending in chop, and hopefully keep the boat off the bottom of the lake... or at least slow the rate of sinking. The foamed cavities will be glassed on top. Not sure what our schedule is this weekend- probably still splitting time between the boat and the cottage, so give me a call.
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Originally posted by storm34 storm34 wrote:

Don't drink too many weights Tim!

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You forgot that he's getting the good weights out of his dads frig!! The good SA summer stuff! His dad has better tastes!!


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