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8122pbrainard
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Wacko
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What is the best way to clean up a rusty coupler like the one posted in the first pic in this thread? Anyone have any before and after pics?
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marcus12
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This is where i'm at right now This is how much room I have on the right side. I put the nut back on the bolt and tapped (knocked) the bolt through as far as it would go and I can't move the engine at all. I must be doing something wrong. |
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marcus12
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Pete, the picture is deceiving, the engine hasn't moved it looks like it just needs to move about an 1/8 of an inch to the right. I will keep trying. That shiny part is probably from the crow bar or something.
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8122pbrainard
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Please read again - slowly.
From your picture, it looks like you have moved the engine sideways. See the shiny spot on the round (NOT THREADED, HORIZONTAL) rod. |
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Okie Boarder
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Tap that threaded piece you have the nut off of. If it is the split style it sounds like it will come out all the way. Otherwise it will kind of tap toward center until it gets to the other side of the interference fit. If it doesn't move easily, do like Eric said and put a nut back on it to keep from messing up the threads.
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marcus12
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This is a picture of what i'm looking at. What do I need to tap through.
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marcus12
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Eric, the engine mount on my 85 SN has a split, so are you saying I need to tap the pinch bolt through the hole toward the bottom, or have I missed something. Sorry for the confusion I've just never done an alignment.
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eric lavine
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the "pinch bolts"
what i do is take the nut all the way to the end of the threads and tap it thru with my brass hammer...i think this is being overlooked. if the mount does not have a split, it is the tapered type mount, so the more you tighten the nut the tighter the trunion. you will notice on the opposite end that there are no means to hold the other end of the bolt.....this is the tapered type. if the mount is split and you see a bolt head at both ends this is the clamp type. simply by loosening the tapered type will not move the trunion, you have to tap it out and release the taper |
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marcus12
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But the pinch bolts are the threaded rods right? How do I remove then without messing up the threads?
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8122pbrainard
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Marcus,
The pinch bolts are the small fasteners that clamp (squeeze) the mount down onto the horizontal shank (round rod - not threaded). These can be stubborn as they do rust up inside. Sometimes the mount needs to be removed and loosened up on the bench or in the vise. |
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marcus12
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When you say pinch bolts are completely loose, do you mean the nut on the threaded bolt? I have the nut completely off both front and rear threaded bolts "pinch bolts" like shown in eric's threadand it still won't budge. I really don't know where to get to put pressure on it either, i'm kind of scared of breaking something. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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Make sure the pinch bolts are completely loose so you can move them with your hand. Put some PB Blaster on the shanks from the trunions and let it soak in real good. Then try moving it again.
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hi guys i'm in the process of trying to do an alignment myself and it looks like from the back of the engine it needs to go to the right to close the gap. I've loosened the pinch bolts on the front and back, and I can't get thr engine to budge a bit even with a hammer and crow bar. Any suggestions?
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8122pbrainard
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Jared,
A true drive train alignment starts at the strut and then goes forward because the strut is the fixed position. Now's the time for you to check to be sure the strut is ok and not bent. What I do and suggest, is with the coupling halves disconnected, make a wood V block to rest the forward end of the prop shaft on. Make it so you can move it around in different positions. When turning the prop shaft you should find the "sweet" spot where the shaft turns the easiest. Hopefully this is when the shaft is roughly centered in the shaft log. If it turns freely, then you know the strut position is good. Clamp off the V block to maintain the position and align the engine to it. |
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sjpitts
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That makes a lot of sense. I didn't think about that.
But in that case, maybe raising the front was right for me. If you scroll up the thread and see the picture of the shaft from under the boat it looks like the shaft is "lower" rather than "higher" in the log. But that picture is a couple of years old. Jared |
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Both are correct. Front or rear mount adjustment may be needed to keep the shaft centered in the shaft log and maintain alignment to the strut.
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Okie Boarder
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I'll let him answer but I'm going to venture a guess. Lowering the back lets the engine sit down farther in the bilge and closer to the stringers. Raising the front does the opposite, which could put some stress on the mounts.
I tried to lower more than raise when I did mine with that thought in mind. Not sure if I'm right but it seems to make some sense to me. |
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sjpitts
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Why is that? Why would you chose one or the other? I thought about lowering the back, but the front seemed a little easier to do. I guess you would have to move it less using the back. Is that it? Jared |
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79nautique
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i would be dropping the rear mounts to close the top gap. |
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sjpitts
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I got it done. And I just reused the old bolts. Thanks for all the help.
Jared |
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8122pbrainard
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Chris, I don't recall saying and even re read that I ever mentioned "China junk"! I hate to tell you but grade 5's and 8's are coming in from them too. I agree it is a shame. |
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8122pbrainard
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Never-seize on SS threads. I remember when I first saw the stuff. A saleman came into the shop with a piece of SS threaded rod, smashed the threads with a hammer, put the never seize on and then ran the nut off over the damaged threads. The nut was smoking but it came off! It actually re rolled the threads! |
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8122pbrainard
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No joke. I'd go stainless. I did with my 64. |
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behindpropeller
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Some brass nuts on your stainless bolts work good :)
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Okie Boarder
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Jared,
You got it. |
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sjpitts
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Thanks man for the answer on the stainless.
Next question. I think I have the side to side aligned well enough. But now it is pretty clear that the top has a larger gap than the bottom. May .006. So I am thinking I need to raise the front of the engine. So my best guess is that I need to loosen the lock nuts, and then turn the big silver bolts clockwise just a bit. See the pictures below, I think I need to turn that bolt clockwise to raise the front. And then retighten the lock bolt. Sound like the right plan? Thanks again guys |
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GottaSki
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I may see '79's point on this one..
Stainless tends to gall up and sieze a bit easier than grade 5 likes to rust. |
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Stainless is fine....
Unless you plan on putting a carbide prop on your machine. |
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sjpitts
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Ok, what does this mean? Are trying to say don't use stainless? I am sorry, I don't get the joke. Jared |
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