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8122pbrainard
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Brian, Just look at the direction of rotation of the pulleys/belts and you'll see which way the blades are "combed". Now, if you don't get them correct, they will flip. Even Depco pump in their impeller replacement instructions states this. However, I can't imagine it does the rubber much good!! |
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79nautique
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well while watching the pulley might help, you need to pay attention to the set screw on the side of the pump and make sure it's facing the same direction before and after the RWP is removed from the bracket, otherwise the pump can be put on backwards and the pulley will still rotate in the same direction.
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TX Foilhead
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They will flip, I did it once, and yes for those wondering it was on purpose. I'm with Pete though, it can't be good for the blade to do that.
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8122pbrainard
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Chris, We were discussing which way the blades go (combing) and not a backwards housing install. Yes, it's important too but hasn't come up - yet!! |
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Bri892001
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I'll keep an eye on the installation of the pump.
So, from Hollywood's earlier post, a bad impeller could cause it to run hot (180) but not totally overheat? Does the circulation pump pull some water without help from the raw water pump? |
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skicat2001
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Man that hot to me.. I run between 150 to 155.. Thats normal temp, isn't it? |
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WakeSlayer
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Agreed, that is too hot. 150-155 is fine. The 143 in the Mustang fluctuates up and down as the stat opens and closes. My 502 holds at 160* no matter what. |
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Bri892001
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I was poking around on ski discount marine and noticed that they advertise an impeller removal tool.
Is this necessary when replacing impellers? Also, it looks like the gasket is a separate item. Is this typical? |
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I pull mine every fall just to let the paddles relax for the winter. It comes off easy, never needed a tool or felt I was forcing it. Maybe on a boat that sat for years in a barn.
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TX Foilhead
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I think the tools migt be useful on the Vdrives where your working blind and don't have room to pry it out with something like a screwdriver, not needed for a DD.
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Bri892001
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Thanks, I won't bother with the puller tool then, sounds like unnecessary money to spend.
I can borrow one of those hand held, laser temperature readers from a friend of mine this weekend... or just buy one. I was thinking I'd check around the engine to see if it's just my gauge that's off. What spots on the engine do I want to check to get my actual engine temperature? Is the thermostat housing the accurate spot, or other places along the cooling system, block, manifolds etc.? |
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WakeSlayer
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I would just run the gun everywhere.
Stat housing will heat up when it opens. Otherwise it has cool bypass water from the waterpump blowing past it. Intake manifold is where you can verify your temp gauge is accurate. Exhaust is always good to check, too. You should be able to leave your hands on your exhaust manifolds when the engine is running. |
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Bri892001
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Thanks for the tip.
I'm pretty the exhaust manifold temperature is good. I can leave my hands on the exhaust manifolds for a good 30-40 seconds anyway, with the engine fully warmed up and running. I'm not sure if I could keep them there indefinitely, but they're definitely not hot to the touch, just pretty warm. I'll check the intake manifold temp with the gun this weekend, and everywhere else too. |
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Tag962
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After reading this post I am a little worried about my 1990 196. Can someone tell me where the impeller is located so I can check it? I believe it is in the housing on the corner of the engine closest to the driver seat??? I am not a mechanic by any means, I hate to sound dumb but all of this talk is over my head! I just finished putting a new floor in my boat last night, what a nightmare!!! I would like to check the impeller before I go out in it tonight. It will be the first run of the season for me so I am very excited! Living in upstate NY & loving the water, makes for very looooong winters! Thanks!
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WakeSlayer
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30-40 seconds is good. If you cannot touch them at all, you have problems.
Tag, follow your thru hull water intake hose. It goes through the trans cooler to the impeller pump, then to the circ pump. |
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Bri892001
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Hi Tag,
You're right on the location. The impeller is inside the raw water pump, which almost looks like the equivalent of a mini power steering pump on a car. You can probably take your test drive without worrying. If you're temp guage reads normal, you're good for a bit. The impellers are a normal maintenance item though. I haven't done mine yet, so I'm talking from more what I've read than what I've done. I found a good article hear though, I posted it earlier too: http://www.aquaskier.com/articles/impeller_replacement.htm My friend had done a similar job on a Mercruiser stern drive, and gave me the tip of using a large radiator hose clamp, to sort of tighten down/squish the new impeller to fit it into the housing. That's all I know for now, hope to report back soon with a real, first hand facts. I'm guessing if you replaced your floor though, an impeller should be no sweat for you. I think it rates much lower on the Do It Yourself Capability rating scale. |
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79nautique
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you guys act like it's a major hassle to get the vane in the pump, all you have to do is dip one side in then rotate it as your pushing it to the center and then down, jacking with hose clamp or anything else is just a waiste of time and you'l end up screwing things up. The vanes are flexable come on, get some hand and arm strength and be a man or find some one that is not a wussy to do the job for you.
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8122pbrainard
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Even I can do it!!! Hose clamp??? Next thing you know someone will get out a small ring compressor! |
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I have to agree, just stick it in!!! Pretty simple.
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Hollywood
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Squeezing it in my hand works just fine for me.
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79nautique
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LOL I think that works for most people. |
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Hollywood
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Yep, looks just like this. |
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Bri892001
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Alright, alright, I get yeah
My friend who suggested the hose clamp runs Mercruisers. Maybe Mercruiser impellers are stiffer? Or, maybe guys who run Mercruisers are wussies? Well, that's what I'll tell my friend |
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Bri892001
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My brother and I used a hand held laser temp gun and went all over the engine while it was warmed up and running. The warmest place we could find anywhere was 125 degrees; that was one of the hoses coming out of the circulation pump. Well, the exhaust manifold flanges were hotter, but the rest of the exhaust manifolds were fine.
I'm leaning towards a general ground issue on mine. There are other gauges acting funny, like the fuel gauge. Also, using the horn or lights makes things act funny. Also, turning on the ignition (not cranking just turning it on) takes a little gusto away from the blower motor. I was happy to find the motor was not running hot anyway, I'll have to sort out the ground issue though. |
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I'd like to know at what temperature these marine mufflers would start to burn up. I think there may be a lot of unecessary worrying about the engine temp. Think about regular car temps...regularly going over the 200° mark.
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8122pbrainard
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Craig, I always use the analogy of a stretch limo with the AC on full blast out in the sun in the desert of say Nevada. Hot yes! Problem no! I doubt the exhaust/mufflers see anything over 175 degrees after all the cooling water is mixed in. That's well within the limit of the glass muffler(s). They only go when there's no water. Of course we know no water is what kills the RWP impellers too! |
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C-Bass
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^^^ Exactly what I'm thinking Pete.
I keep an eye on the temp gauge, especially after first start up of the day, and I'll watch to make sure 1 of the pipes isn't spewing out a ton of steam, but you won't find me using the risers as handwarmers. |
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Bri892001
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I did the impeller last weekend. It was pretty easy. I did it with the boat still in the water. I got the kit that included the gaskets and stuff. I wound up using Babe's Boot butter to lube it up. It would have popped right in pretty easily anyway.
The old one wasn't bad, but it had enough little spider cracks in the rubber vanes that I didn't feel like replacing it was a waste of time/money. |
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