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aquaman766
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Posted: September-21-2010 at 1:30am |
This is my first year owning a ski boat. I have learned a lot form this site. Thanks to you all. I just changed my oil and i used Castrol 10w-40. Now i'm reading that most of you use 20w-50 or straight 40. My question is---will the 10w-40 hurt my engine or am i OK for another 50 hours?
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Keeganino
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People have done a lot worse. You will be fine for the rest of the season which cant be too long up there!
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Change it before you put her to bed for the winter. Isn't the RSM every 25hrs? |
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8122pbrainard
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Keeping in mind that the lower # is the actual base weight of the oil, 10 weight in my opinion is on the light side for our engines. Also check to see if the Castrol has a high level of ZDDP. That's even more important for the flat tappet engine.
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skicat2001
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Which brand do you guys like, I am hearing many? I am thinking doing this too, where can I find the vacum to suck the oil out the bottom?
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Keeganino
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I think the consensus leans towards Valvoline VR-1 20W 50. Less than $5 a quart and available at most auto parts stores. That is what I am using in the Skier.
I have no experience with this pump but here is one. |
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skicat2001
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20w50... alright, sounds good. I need to find a pump, and apperciate keeganino the help, thanks my friend.
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Keeganino
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I have come to the consensus that it takes a village to know everything about these boats. Glad I could help! |
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behindpropeller
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I think there are better alternatives out there to VR1.
www.aslcamguard.com You guys are paying more for VR-1 than we pay for aviation oil with an anti-wear additive. The anti wear is a requirement of some aviaion engines to prevent camshaft galling: http://www.lycoming.textron.com/support/publications/service-bulletins/pdfs/SB471B.PDF http://www.sacskyranch.com/faqaircraftengineoil.htm Tim |
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behindpropeller
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I have looked but have not found out the differences between ZDDP, Camguard, and the LW-16702 Additive. Lots of companies selling ZDDP additives now. |
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bhectus
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I just changed the oil/filter in my '96 and used the VR1. Got it at the local auto parts store down the street and put a new Motorcraft FL-1A filter in (also found at local parts store). Stay away from Fram filters, they are garbage. |
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I don't think enough people realize that VR1 does not have the same ZDDP levels that it used to. The same goes for rotella.
There are better choices out there now. I hear Royal Purple synth and Amsoil has high ZDDP levels, but castrol products have higher ZDDP than most other conventional oil brands, especially in oils other than 5w-30 or 10w-30. The new motorcraft diesel oil has high ZDDP levels. I know redline full synth has high ZDDP levels. |
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skicat2001
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I seriously dont know or understand why people all sold on this synthetic oils against just regular conventional oil. Made the same way, has same texture and serves same puporse just has added addtives to it. High performance I understand, but until got big modifications then regular oil works just fine.
Love Castrol, Mobile, Valvoline, Quaker State..... Pennzoil suks!! Turns gray in 1000 miles or 10 hrs in a boat, loses its base to darn quick... |
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Keeganino
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Didn't we just have this same discussion like a month ago? I can't take it anymore. "Gonna find a bridge and take a jump"- Frank Zappa
I guess if they keep changing the formulas we need to keep up with it. The guy at the parts store was trying to sell me on that Royal purple but I want to say it was like $15 a quart!!!! Interesting that something as basic as oil can be so complicated. I thought everyone was saying to stay away from synthetics all together. Tim thanks for the links. Very informative! |
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behindpropeller
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Ok...
Lets take this to some data... http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19533&title=zddpzinc |
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Keeganino
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Here are the VR-1 Specs
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Keeganino
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And what about the not street legal VR-1 oils?
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skicat2001
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Stay away from that purple ***************... No Weyno for Kaka... I heard best synthetic if you choose to go that route is Mobile 1...
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skicat2001
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Anything Valvoline is good though. That VR-1 I am sure is pretty good....
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Fly100
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Zinc/Phosphorus
0.14/0.13 0.14/0.13 Whats that work out in PPM ?? |
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horkn
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You realize that Mobil 1 isn't the same as it used to be either, right? Why don't you like royal purple? have you tried it? I have and I liked it. I only bought it because it was like 5 dollars a quart on sale once. Otherwise it is too $$ for oil IMHO, not that it isn't good, but too $$$. Now If I had to buy it for my new car, it would get VERY pricey. 9 quarts at 12-15 dollars. Even at 12 a qt, it would be 108 dollars for an oil change. oh the good ol days of 5-6 qt oil capacity on V8's.... |
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SNobsessed
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Keegan - The racing-only oil doesn't have detergents so it will load up with deposits very quickly. Stay away from it.
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TX Foilhead
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I'm not positive, but the racing oils you would use with the SB Ford (20w50) motors seem to be labeled that way because of the regulations, Mobil 1 has something to that effect on their website. There are racing oils with additive packages that need to be changed very often, so do a little looking before you just buy something off the shelf.
As of the last time we had this discussion (not that long ago) Mobil 1 20w50 had 1200ppm. I am still using it because it is still cheaper than VR1 when I get it in the 5qt bottle at Wallyworld with my FL-1A filter. I think I've put about 6 or 700 hrs between 2 boats since I started using it with no issues. |
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horkn
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TX, 1200ppm seems to be pretty high. I would have no issues using that oil as well.
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skicat2001
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Tom,
My good neighbor put that "royal purple" in his F150 truck and had problems with it. I also read a articles in "Hot Rods" magazine where they down played it too. There is plenty of good synthetic oils out there than royal purple. My neighbor was told to switch to another synthetic oil, he went with Mobile 1. |
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Gary S
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Good article in the last Popular Mechanics.In the early 50's oil was at 800 ppm zinc content.With the advent of hi performance engines in the late 50's they had to go to 1200 ppm. With the last change they went back to 800 ppm.
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Bri892001
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^^ Hahaha, Man! I read that article too. Very interesting article. Mike Allen is always on point with all of his stuff. Actually, my favorite piece, unrelated, in there was how to make your iPhone into a scan tool for pretty short money.
The article was a little frustrating though, I still didn't get the sense of an absolute right answer. Racing oils have their problems because of short drain intervals, which maybe 50 hours is short? Diesel oils (I assume he's referring to Rotella) have issues because of different additive packages. I'm also curious as to whether my 240hp engine is really in a high enough state of tune for it to be of a concern. After all, the same block, pitons, lifters etc. see as high as 310 in stock form, way more in other forms. I'm assuming that would mean a lot more valve spring compression and the like. He did mention Castrol GT Racing as a good all around compromise. That's one I'd take a look at I guess. |
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horkn
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It's nice to hear that Popular Mechanics has picked up on this issue, and it is not limited to us crazy boat people. LOL
I have not read it yet, but that is interesting about the regular output motors ZDDP needs vs the HIPo ones. Last I saw the 10w 40 and 15w40 regular castrol GTX had ZDDP levels that were meeting our needs too. I've been running GTX in mine recently. Lee, I ran the purple stuff in the 04 4runner 4.7 V8. It of course has no pushrods or a single centrally located cam with only 16 valves though. All roller stuff in that, and DOHC so it's definitely nothing like the motors in our boats. It is very similar to the motor that powered the Toyota Epic boats though;) |
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Gary S
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Well one thing I understood was that VR1 is called "Racing" to get the extra zinc past the EPA regs and that the detergent additive package is the same as regular oil.
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Bri892001
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I get that sense too. Are most people on here running the VR1 20-50 now? I thought it was interesting in that article how he assembles new, high performance, engines milder valve springs (or not all of them in the case of multiple spring setups) until it's broken in, then he puts in the real valve springs etc. |
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