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    Posted: January-30-2011 at 10:57pm
After a stupid manounver I managed to hit the platform against a dock and ripped 3 boards out..I was able to rescue some of the chuncks..What i a## I am...problem is that it will take me more time to find the adequate wood and shape it that the cost of the repair itself..teak is hard to find here..so I might end up looking for alternate wood..hope to find something the closest in colour to the teak...
I will post some pict tomorrow..I'm mad with myself!!!
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Bummer!
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cant remember exactly where but somewhere on this forum someone was making reproductions out of teak and some type of other wood. I think they were 200. us
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Ouch! Sorry to hear that Seb..I know the feeling
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I would likely have enough, but shipping would be outragious. We know what happened last time.
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I had the same issue trying to build / rebuild a swim platform for the transom project. Look into Ipe and Jatoba. Ipe (Info) should match closer in color and will age gray as teak. Jatoba (Jatoba Info) will be more amber/red and age to a more reddish color and may tiger stripe somewhat.

There are also exotic (South American - ) mahogany and walnut that make beautiful swim platforms but are generally much darker than teak. BTW - you will think your screws are made from porcelain when trying to screw into these woods because they are sooooo dense and closed cell (unlike open cell teak).

All our "exotic" teak alternatives come from your continent.... I hope you can find some stock to work with........

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Kap,
One more wood to consider from Steve's suggestions, is Cumaru. You've got more woods down there to chose from than we do up here! I was just over at my favorite hardwood lumber yard yesterday and was walking through their "exotics" looking and feeling. Lots of "oily" woods and they all seem to come from central/south America.


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Teak World Enterprises in Lebanon, Tennessee ( Near Nashville) builds plateforms out of recycled Teak Wood. Maybe they can just send you what you need in the form of TeaK Wood to repair yours. Google them and give them a try.

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One more wood to consider from Steve's suggestions, is Cumaru. You've got more woods down there to chose from than we do up here! I was just over at my favorite hardwood lumber yard yesterday and was walking through their "exotics" looking and feeling. Lots of "oily" woods and they all seem to come from central/south America.


Pete, I am not sure I would use the cumaru. I have attached a link to a wood stability chart.

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Although I love the rich brown color and the graining of cumaru, it has proven to be very unstable in hardwood flooring applications, and that is in environmentally controlled homes, I have seen in new construction 4" plank floors open up enough that 50 cent pieces could have been rolled down the cracks. The problem results from excessive moisture in the sub floor from painting and taping being absorbed into the new flooring, it swells bigger than it will ever be again, pushing the floor apart, then when the house finds its permanent(lower) moisture level, the floors shrink, and never are tight again. This happens with all woods, but it is worst with cumaru, spotted gum and to some degree maple. We do our best to dicourage cumaru in new construction,If it is used we are sticklers for site conditions and try not to use products over 2 1/4" wide. We have a little better luck with pre-finished, Probably a combination of being sealed one one side and being installed later in the building process which tends to give better control of onsite environmental conditions. The chart is somewhat decieving also, by the numbers cumaru should perform similar to oak, but in practice it moves about 300% more. Cumaru is also the heaviest wood we install, to the point of being significant in the amounts used to build a platform. It does mill nicely, but I would worry about it stressing the adhesives and fasteners. Braz cherry (jatoba) on the other hand has proven to be very stable, less expensive and a little lighter, but the color mixed with teak will stand out like a sore thumb, and it gets darker when exposed to sun light.
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Kap,
One more wood to consider from Steve's suggestions, is Cumaru. You've got more woods down there to chose from than we do up here! I was just over at my favorite hardwood lumber yard yesterday and was walking through their "exotics" looking and feeling. Lots of "oily" woods and they all seem to come from central/south America.


Pete, I am not sure I would use the cumaru. I have attached a link to a wood stability chart.

hardwood stability chart

Although I love the rich brown color and the graining of cumaru, it has proven to be very unstable in hardwood flooring applications, and that is in environmentally controlled homes, I have seen in new construction 4" plank floors open up enough that 50 cent pieces could have been rolled down the cracks. The problem results from excessive moisture in the sub floor from painting and taping being absorbed into the new flooring, it swells bigger than it will ever be again, pushing the floor apart, then when the house finds its permanent(lower) moisture level, the floors shrink, and never are tight again. This happens with all woods, but it is worst with cumaru, spotted gum and to some degree maple. We do our best to dicourage cumaru in new construction,If it is used we are sticklers for site conditions and try not to use products over 2 1/4" wide. We have a little better luck with pre-finished, Probably a combination of being sealed one one side and being installed later in the building process which tends to give better control of onsite environmental conditions. The chart is somewhat decieving also, by the numbers cumaru should perform similar to oak, but in practice it moves about 300% more. Cumaru is also the heaviest wood we install, to the point of being significant in the amounts used to build a platform. It does mill nicely, but I would worry about it stressing the adhesives and fasteners. Braz cherry (jatoba) on the other hand has proven to be very stable, less expensive and a little lighter, but the color mixed with teak will stand out like a sore thumb, and it gets darker when exposed to sun light.

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I'm not looking from a stabily standpoint here but rather rot resistance. You know all woods grow with water absorbtion especially when there are large areas (not the case in this instance). This is not a wood floor in a house and the spacing between the wood on a swim platform is there for a reason. Also keep in mind that the typical plateform is screwed together allowing for movement.

Yes, the color will be different. Even Teak from a different tree will be different. I feel Kap will end up replacing all the wood.


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Pete, my thinking is why use a wood known to move more when something like a braz cherry is available with similar rot resistance but less movement. I agree, the paltform would be better replaced as a whole unless he can find some old teak for the repair. I would look for a old platrform to scavange materials from. It will be interesting to see the pics and how much is damaged. Seems like it would be hard to wreck much past the first board, but given time I am sure I will do worse. Kap, if you replace be sure to save the old teak. Hows the Dock?
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If you are going to change it all........ The jatoba ones offered through the site are AWESOME! I am putting it on my Tique this spring. I'm sure shipping's a bear but it would be worth looking into as they are "plug and play" and sharp looking! (make sure it is crated well upon shipment as mine was a little flimsy in its arriving plywood box).

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I´m not considering a total rebuilt..just replacing the broken boards..I will post some pics later in order to get some advice..Are the board only screwed or they also take some kind of adhesive?
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The store on this very site has entire reproduction platforms. Is that overkill to fix your issue?
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Seems I can locally get teak here..At least I will take a chance with a friend that has a luxury shipyard and all the deck flooring in the yatchs are made with teak, so he told me he would search in the shop for some discarded boards and fix it up....

No way I could imports a whole platform!! shipping would double the cost itself, not to menction the import taxes...
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Thats what happens when you get too many hotties on the boat! Bummer for sure but you will get it fixed up.
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Thats what happens when you get too many hotties on the boat! Bummer for sure but you will get it fixed up.


Hotties outing was saturday..this incident was on sunday when I went out with the kids....
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Maybe it was a hottie hang over.
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Maybe it was a hottie hang over.


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Damn Kap, that was a shot!

That looks repairable from here. A carefully glued joint is often stronger than the material and you might add a few screws to reinforce it. Maybe your friend has some scrap you could make plugs from?
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only problem is the 3rd board is missing a big chunck, the rest is there...
I thinking in replacing #2 and #3 boards...
I will go tomorrow to the shipyard and see...on the adhesive thing what is the one to use in this case?
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Kap,
Not much sticks to Teak because of it's oil content. Some of the polyurethanes do work (Sika) but I suggest just screwing it back together as done originally.


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I'd replace all the broken wood with new and screw it. Should be a fairly easy fix. Good thing you got a strong transom!
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You just spent thousands of dollars rebuilding the motor and replacing stringers on that boat, use that piece of firewood to stoke up your next asado and put a platform on that boat that you will be proud of.   Get one made locally, that's pretty basic carpentry, got to be someone down there that can build a nice one for you. Post pictures of your boat babes oiling it down.
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just dropped the platform at my friends shop..I will see the results in a couple of days...
Estimate cost..an asado (BBQ) and some nice bottle of wine...
told some crazy prices on the teak wood something like $33 the foot...
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Have my refurbed platform again..Looks new. 3 boards replaced and also the 2 triangular frame board from below were replaced as they were severely rotted.
I will have pictures soon...
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Originally posted by kapla kapla wrote:

Have my refurbed platform again..Looks new. 3 boards replaced and also the 2 triangular frame board from below were replaced as they were severely rotted.
I will have pictures soon...

These pictures should be interesting... Ive never seen rotten teak before.
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I will post the pics of the rotten parts as I have the scraps in the truck.
some places the wood is soft and spongy like a cork..screws wont hold...
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