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Now comes the back breaking part! If you thought grinding was bad wait till you get into this next phase. Dont wear any clothes or shoes you ever want to wear again for anything other than working around the house. Good job covering the gunnels. Resin seems to get everywhere no matter how careful. Looks great!
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David I bought an alternator from them when mine cracked the housing.I then found a housing and had mine put back together. The ones DB sells looks like a good one,I just didn't feel like messing around with the mounting.As far as I know an alternator can run in any direction,but the fans are rotational.
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Well guys the stringers are fiberglassed in. Took 3 days with the help of a friend. We did the starboard side Sunday, port Monday, then I biaxed both Tuesday. Only biaxed the mains.

Next I need to cut some ribs, cpes them, fiberglass them, then install. Then comes the floor. I realized I should be able to use the old fiberglass pan as a template. That should make things move a bit faster. I also have my reenforced pieces for the water pickups, exhaust and rudder cut, drilled, routed and ready to cpes.

Hopefully the floor will be done this weekend, minus vinyl.

I was thinking of running a layer of biax right down the middle of the bilge to connect the ends coming off of the stringers. Good idea?







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I think I figured out this morse control reversing thing.

Basically I just turned everything around. When moving the handle forward you want the throttle cable to push and the trans to pull. This seams to do that. What do y'all think?

Before, the bow is towards the right


After, again, bow to the right


Forward one notch


Need to order my cables, 16 and 18 seem correct? Mine now are 10 and 12.
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The glass work looks awesome. Good job.

I still have my bet with Pete on the Morse reversal. Won't believe it til I drive it.

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Both cables should be 16'

So,   Are you changing the throw at the carb also, or just flipping the shifter?
If you are changing it at the carb, you have one more thing to do to the shifter. Turn the Tensioner around.
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Originally posted by WakeSlayer WakeSlayer wrote:

The glass work looks awesome. Good job.

I still have my bet with Pete on the Morse reversal. Won't believe it til I drive it.



Thanks!

Don't see why it would not work. I'll hook the cables up to the engine on the stand and test it out.

Originally posted by DrCC DrCC wrote:

Both cables should be 16'

So,   Are you changing the throw at the carb also, or just flipping the shifter?
If you are changing it at the carb, you have one more thing to do to the shifter. Turn the Tensioner around.


I was planning on keeping it the same at the carb, from the front.

Why would I need two 16's? The transmission cable is longer than the carb?
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When CC routed the cables forward, it brought the shift cable over the front of the engine and the throttle cable under and to the carb from the rear- so both cables are the same length. Woody told me that they put 17' control cables on all direct drives, regardless of boat length (unlike steering cables, where the 16' boats got 16' cables vs. 17' for longer boats). These lengths worked well on my Ski Tique.

If youre going to route both cables over the front and top of the engine, then I would get a 17' and a 15' cable.
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I suppose you wouldn't.   I just prefer both cables the same length.
18' would be way too long for the shift (trans).
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17ft's are too long for even 2nd gen SN's.
Both run under and up.
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And, not to confuse, yes, some did route up and over and some routed both under.
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Originally posted by DrCC DrCC wrote:

17ft's are too long for even 2nd gen SN's.
Both run under and up.

I have to disagree, Al. The engine to dash distance (which should dictate your cable length) seems to be very similar on all 16-19' direct drive CC's. I would bet that when they pushed the dash forward in '87, that would have had a bigger influence on cable length than going from a 70's Ski Tique to a 70's Ski Nautique. A 16' cable might reach, but the 17' was nowhere near being "too long". Of course, its worth mentioning that this was on a PCM, where the trans cable goes over the front of the motor, and the throttle cable goes under and attaches to the carb from the rear.
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Wouldn't an '87 be a 3rd gen?
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Originally posted by DrCC DrCC wrote:

Wouldn't an '87 be a 3rd gen?

IE, 2001, yes. I suppose Im confusing the issue a bit. My point was that the Ski Tique, 2nd gen Ski Nautique and even the early (82-86) 2001's as well as the early (79-86) Barefoot Nautiques all should measure very similarly from the motor to the dash, and thus use the same length control cables. Ive never heard anyone argue that a 16' cable be used when routing forward from the Morse on any of the above boats- though in theory they should all take the same size, as any difference would have little to do with the overall length of the boat.

That being said, perhaps a 16' cable would work in the above boats, as the 87+ Ski and Barefoot Nautiques use the same 17' cables per Correct Craft, despite having their dash further from the engine. I did not notice the 17' cables to be the improper length when installed on a 16' boat, though.
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16's fit better without the unwanted extra foot of cable.
In 16'1" thru 17'9".

I suppose I could take some photos of how precisely perfect my 16' cables are in a 17'9" hull.
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Now I'm confused

Should I go with the same length and go under and from the back for the carb?

2 16's or 2 17's?
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Vondy,   I would use a 16' for shift.
Then take one of your old cables, use that to measure carefully your chosen path up the front (of engine) for your throttle.
You probably would not want to change it to a "pull to open" throttle.

I made the mistake by assuming yours was a pull to open.

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OK, I'll keep both of them coming from the front. Unfortunately I can not accurately measure because the engine is still out of the boat. I'm hoping to get everything ordered soon so I hit my deadline.

I did bring my old cables in the boat and make some guess measurements. It seemed like I would need an extra 4-5 feet for each. So 14-15 and 16-17.
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It has already been said a couple of times but your glass work looks great. Nice and clean. Love your work table under the tent. That would have saved me a lot of time and back ache. I ran a length of biaxial down the middle. Figured since the rest o the hull was reinforced with the stuff- why not! You are moving along at a great pace. Hope to see it some day after you are finished.
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OK Mike, I do believe you are right. I hooked up the cables yesterday and the trans cable does not have enough length to move backwards in this configuration. When flipped in this configuration, the arm moves too far away from the cable lock down area.

So I guess I'll be doing it like Mike did, coming from the back, making a big 180 then going forward. At least I'll have room to play if the cable lengths are long now. Mike you think you used 16 and 18?
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Originally posted by vondy vondy wrote:

OK Mike, I do believe you are right. I hooked up the cables yesterday and the trans cable does not have enough length to move backwards in this configuration. When flipped in this configuration, the arm moves too far away from the cable lock down area.

So I guess I'll be doing it like Mike did, coming from the back, making a big 180 then going forward. At least I'll have room to play if the cable lengths are long now. Mike you think you used 16 and 18?

Can you try to explain this a little better- maybe visually? I still dont understand what it is about the MV1 backing plate that makes it "unreversable". My sister has a MV2 backing plate on her MV1 throttle, which is running the cables to the rear. All my other boats with similar backing plates run towards the front... I havent lined the 2 plate styles up yet, but I just cant imagine what could be so different between the 2 of them.
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I don't know what control I have but I converted it from rear cables to the front.Throttle cable goes under motor,trans goes over the top.No ideas on length tho.

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Here it is in neutral.



As soon as I go forward the trans arm moves back but the trans cable is already at it's full length.


This is the reversed setup. If I flip it back to normal then trans control arm is set closer so the cable has plenty of room.
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David,
I'm going to enjoy that beer from Mike!!!!

The position of the trans arm needs to be changed roughly 45 degrees. You'l find a set of gears inside. Set the helm in the neutral position and the cable mid stroke then re attach the arm in that position.

Give it a try and post back as I don't want Mike to forget!!


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CORRECTION!!!
David,
I think you have the shift and throttle cables reversed. Move the throttle cable to the top mount on the backing plate. Move the shift cable to the lower mount and then the shift it's arm 180 degrees - it's on a square shaft. See what happens. Yes, they are confusing to say the least.

I sure hope this works - I want that beer!!


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Watching and waiting. I still don't think it can be done. I spent FOREVER messing with mine and just could not sort it out.

Gary, yours appears to be an MV2, which are for sure reversible.

Pete, remember, no Spotted Cow, dude. I am bringing "your" Moose Drool, but I am going to get to drink it myself. Mmm mmm good.

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Pete I hate to say it but I believe you are wrong. I think the throttle is supposed to be connected to the tensioner. I also do not believe the cables will cross over like you are saying without binding up.
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The cables will not cross over each other - You'd be flipping the shift arm 180.


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David,
The cables will not cross over each other - You'd be flipping the shift arm 180.


Much like I will be flipping the beer you buy me 180*.   
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

David,
The cables will not cross over each other - You'd be flipping the shift arm 180.


I see what your saying. But doesn't the throttle need to be connected to the tensioner?

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