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What do I need to do differently with my new alternator as far as wiring goes? Does the one wire go to the harness that brings it to the gauge?

Do I need to beef up the wire at all? My new alternator is 105 amps.
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Do you have a amp meter or volt meter up at the dash? It makes a difference. With a amp meter, you will need to run heavy wire all the way up and then back to where it connects to the start relay (solenoid). If you have a volt meter, then it's only heavy wire directly to the relay. However, if you have or have plans for adding any accessories off the dash wiring, then the feed and ground need to be load rated.

BTW, if it's a amp meter, what's it's rating? 60? If so, you may want to consider converting it over to a volt gauge system


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Pete it's an amp meter. Says 40, 0, 40.
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What brand gauges do you have. I think you should start looking for a matching volt meter. As mentioned, if you keep the amp meter, it requires running new wire up and back. The amp meter sees power first and then goes to the battery via the start relay. With a 100 amp alternator, that's going to be some pretty heavy wire!!! 6 ga and that's with about a 10% voltage drop!!

It can be done but the heavy wire is a must.

Why the big alternator? If you mentioned it, I must have missed it.


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What brand gauges do you have. I think you should start looking for a matching volt meter. As mentioned, if you keep the amp meter, it requires running new wire up and back. The amp meter sees power first and then goes to the battery via the start relay. With a 100 amp alternator, that's going to be some pretty heavy wire!!! 6 ga and that's with about a 10% voltage drop!!

It can be done but the heavy wire is a must.

Why the big alternator? If you mentioned it, I must have missed it.


Pete that was the smallest alt they had. My understanding is you only pull as many amps as you need.

I don't know if I care what kind of meter I have. Not sure what the advantage/disadvantage would be. The advantage of keeping the current one is it's original. I can spend 30 bucks on 6 gauge for the amp meter or spend 40 bucks on a new unmatched volt meter and 6 gauge to the solenoid.

What do you think?
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David,
There are marine 70 amp one wire's out there. Yes, it is true that the alternator will only produce what is needed but I think you are forgetting the battery charging. After cranking that engine, the charge amps can be quite high.

Thinking about this more and if the boat was mine, I'd keep the amp meter and run the 6 ga. wire up and back. I happen to like amp meters better as they give you a better picture of what's going on with the electrical system.

The orange wire to the amp meter, then the red to the ignition switch (bat terminal) and then the red back to the start relay are the ones that need changing.



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Thanks Pete, guess I'll go that route. I'll order some 6 gauge along with my new batter cables. I'm locating the batter all the way forward to the bow. It will have it's on little shelf and I'll strap it down into a battery box. This way I can avoid having to build a battery box under the floor. It does mean I'll have to guy some expensive cable though. Looks like 4/0 AWG.

I can barely make out that diagram. You say alternator to amp gauge. Amp gauge to key. Key to solenoid. Is that right?
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Originally posted by vondy vondy wrote:

I can barely make out that diagram. You say alternator to amp gauge. Amp gauge to key. Key to solenoid. Is that right?

Sorry abou the poor quality of that wiring diagram. It came out of the older PCM manual in the reference section.

Yes, that's the way your boat should be wired and the wires that need the up grade.


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Thanks Pete, I found the file. I also have a diagram in my HM book.

Do you know off the top of your head how long those wires need to be from the solenoid to the dash? I'm guessing 15 feet or so.
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Hey Dave,
Take some pictures of your battery layout plan. when you get it figured out. I also wanted to move the battery foreward to make room for a storage area or cooler, but it ended up not being practical for my build. I would still like to have done that, but there wasn't enough space in my 2nd gen SN hull without some serious airbox modifications. In the end, my passenger seat is usually facing backwards, so anything added under the bow would have been difficult to access anyway. Maybe you have more room with the single seat instead of a double.
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Originally posted by charger496 charger496 wrote:

Hey Dave,
Take some pictures of your battery layout plan. when you get it figured out. I also wanted to move the battery foreward to make room for a storage area or cooler, but it ended up not being practical for my build. I would still like to have done that, but there wasn't enough space in my 2nd gen SN hull without some serious airbox modifications. In the end, my passenger seat is usually facing backwards, so anything added under the bow would have been difficult to access anyway. Maybe you have more room with the single seat instead of a double.


I'll try to take a pic tonight for ya.

I was really hoping to get an ice chest in there but with the two pvc pipes it would have to be real thin. Then you add the box structure and insulation you might be able to fit a couple of beers in there. If I had more time I might could have figured something out but times a wasting.

My battery will not be easily accessible, I'll have to lay down and crawl under the bow. Not a big deal for me. I don't plan on moving it but a few times a year. I'm not doing a big kick panel either. I want to be able to easily slide stuff under the bow. Will have a small lip so the stuff doesn't slide back when underway.

I will put an inline switch on the battery in case I need to disconnect quickly.
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Cool. Cant wait to see the pics. Are you gonna start pulling some UK79 bullsh*t, 'cause that guy could re-engineer a leaf blower into a jet pack! I love to see the inginuity that comes through this site. Pictures! Pictures!
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Sorry, I got a little too excited about a battery box...
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So here are some pics.

Battery would go up here.


I got my pvc holes cut after this pic. Still need to bed and glass the floor.


I wouldn't mind getting a bit more elaborate but running out of time. One thing I have learned, this is more like building a house than a piece of furniture. You can't get everything perfect. Got to do some shimming here and there.
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So what do I do about this? Loose on one end, snug on the other.



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David,
The hose will snug down on the log. IF theres room, double hose clamp!!


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Is that 1-3/4" hose? Thats common on inboards... but older CC's tend to use 1-1/2".

We just grabbed some 1-1/2" hose from NAPA.
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is that a power radio antenna hanging there in the bow deck? hope its marine rated..LOL...

jokes appart, its looking great!!!
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Yep, looks good David.

I was really happy with the placement of my battery box in the between the seats. I put a kickboard in ours for the amp, and heater vents. Heater is mounted up where your battery is going.
Don't even start on the heater, Pete. A warm wife is a happy wife. Ha ha.
You are probably better off with the larger hose on the log. Getting the 1 1/2 on there is an absolute bastage. There should be room for two clamps. I got them on ours, and was unable to get the hose all the way on.

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Thanks guys.

Yes that is a radio antenna. PO's doing. It will be removed. Although I guess I'll have to keep part of it so the hole in the bow will be plugged. Any ideas what else could go there

Mike maybe it's my unoriginal seats but I would have to have the battery box pretty far forward to be able to pull a battery out. The seats are too close together.
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Originally posted by WakeSlayer WakeSlayer wrote:

You are probably better off with the larger hose on the log. Getting the 1 1/2 on there is an absolute bastage. There should be room for two clamps. I got them on ours, and was unable to get the hose all the way on.

If he's got the same log as my sister's '69 and our '79 (which were the same) then I really dont think the 1-3/4" hose is a good idea. There was just way too much of a gap to suck up with the clamps... I would have been worried about keeping water out of that connection. The 1-1/2" went on really hard, like you said, but it'll go- and its not gonna leak!
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Who carries the 1 1/2? Didn't see it on skidim.
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SkiDIM has 1-1/2" fuel fill hose, but we just grabbed some stuff from NAPA.
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Looks like the 1.5 on skidim is wired. Sounds like that would be hard to fit. Might take a trip to Napa. Do I need to look for a certain wall thickness? The one I have now is quite stout.
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Good point, you'd probably be wrestling with that wire reinforced hose. I want to say the wall thickness of the hose we found was in the 3/16-1/4" range.
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Originally posted by vondy vondy wrote:

Looks like the 1.5 on skidim is wired. Sounds like that would be hard to fit.


Hence why it is so hard to get on. Considering what the factory used, I really don't think the wired hose is necessary.
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I just remembered we have a hose supply company a few doors down from work. Surely they will have something.

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Originally posted by WakeSlayer WakeSlayer wrote:

Originally posted by vondy vondy wrote:

Looks like the 1.5 on skidim is wired. Sounds like that would be hard to fit.


Hence why it is so hard to get on. Considering what the factory used, I really don't think the wired hose is necessary.

Ahh, thats why yours was so difficult to install. No reinforcement on ours. I agree its unnecessary, as the factory doesnt use reinforced hose. OJ supplies unreinforced hose with their dripless kits too, FWIW.
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I fought with 1.5" wire re enforced fuel line for 2 weeks and could not get it on both pieces. Do yourself a favor and get some decent non wire reenforced hose from NAPA. I believe the stuff I used was Gates and it was better than the 40 yo old rubber hose I removed.
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