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skicat2001 wrote: ononewheel wrote: davidg wrote: Well.....its happened! Standard & Poors has now downgraded the USA's pristine credit rating from AAA to AA+. They (government) got this great deal done last week, and what happens? The stock market tanked big time, and we still got downgraded. The smart money knows the deal was a SHAM!!! Shame on the Republicans for going along with it.     The smart money also knows what the problem is.....TOO MUCH DEBT!!! Pure and simple. The solution is not to tax people more. You could take every asset the rich have, and it won't solve the problem. The only thing that will work here is to get these LIBERAL idiots (of both parties) out of office and get fiscal conservatives in. We need more Paul Ryan's and Jim Demint's in there.     This country spends money on useless stuff and we are creating a nation of helpless, needy welfare recipients that has come to rely on the government for their existance. This is exactly what Obama wants. In fact, the number of people on food stamps in this country is at an all time high. Relying on the government for thier little bit of cheese!! They keep each other in power just like the LIBERAL unions in Wisconsin and the Dems in Wisconsin have done for years. Keep each other in power and to hell with everybody else. Tax the hell out of 'em as long as they get what they want. Scott Walker has started to turn Wisconsin around from being a bloated, "tax and spend" union-based government beauracracy and in to a lean/mean job creating healthy state that companies now want to move to. We need somebody like him in the White House!! But, we also need a conservative Congress and Senate as well to back him up. As Margaret Thatcher, the past Conservative Prime Minister of England, once said....."The problem with Socialism/Liberalism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money to spend". It will be interesting to see how your argument fairs in the next two weeks, after the recalls.....he he he he he Then from November to January, it will be fun to watch. recall for the Walker looks promising. By the way, Walkers slogan "open for bidness" well, that hasn't worked out to well for him. Net job gain to date.... -20,ooo He has a tough road to follow. I also love the Paul Ryan references, do you remember where that plan went? The trash can, especially after most Repubs jumped ship... And what facts do you have to prove Mr. Walkers slogan will not work?? What un credible source did you get your -20,000... Walker has benefitted the workforce there and fighted them labor unions Obama has tried to push but will not work. Unions dont work, they bankrupt states, countrys etc. All states need to follow the "right to work" polociey rather than "you owe me" which unions follow. Well done for Mr. Walker. The thing you need to know and reason why my great and wonderful friends jumped ship on the plan, great for the house, but wont pass in the Senate when you dealing with numsculs in the Senate such as Reid. "CUTS" are not in there vocab bro.. I will laugh at folks in November of 2012. All you ***************g lefties are toast. Obama approval rating is at 30%% and it will be a total mismatch in November. It will not matter, who, color or what is runnning against Obama. But like me, it takes me 5 seconds to vote. Spin the wheel, hit all republican and ssssssseeeee yyyyyaaaaaaa

Actually 20,000 is way low if you consider the loss of jobs from the "high speed rail" project. That is estimated at 130,000

Cokie Roberts said our biggest problem is our Constitution?!!?

So they went from 'jobs created' to 'jobs created or saved'. How should we catagorize those rail jobs that don't even exist? 'Jobs created, saved, and promised?

I think we still have a few left over beers from our party; you're welcome to one if you need something to cry in. Please explain to me how any buisness can function when 95% of their SOW is to manage debt? In other words, 95% of a company's efforts are realizing no return. Sorry, that can't last.

And I challenge you to rationalize that Judge Judy video I posted above. The co-star in that video is a direct result of vote buying. And ask me how many folks I know who won't be looking for work as long as the couch surfing boom is still in full swing. And which party is promoting this sort of thing?

Our country is a macrocosm of the guy who is living well on his credit limit while making zero plans for what he will do when it maxes out. Yes, he can get another card, but even that runs out.

I wonder what percentage of guys here knows what it meant to be called a Democrat in the days of our Founding Fathers...

Please, if you know, hold off for a few posts.

Bellyaching doesn't produce much, so here's a plan.

Dow futures are down over 200. Did anyone hear fiddle music in the East Wing the other night?

harddock wrote: If what you say is true then Obama should be more dissapointing to the Democrats than he is to the Republicans. He sold folks a bill of goods to get their vote and it appears that he hasn't delivered.

And you would be exactly right in saying that

The system needs revamping. Pundants are in it for the bennies, the croney voting, the bucks, and re election. That is not how we should be represented. Automatic raises, big pensions, college paying for staff kids, no term limits,kick backs, etc etc has made the congress a powerful but beholding group that is out of control. Blame, speeches, more blame, moer speeches, round and round but no one standing up and taking the bull by the horns and trying to get something good done. Media jumps on the band wagon with opinionated experts chiming in and setting the course for nothing good to get accomplished. I don't know how and exactly what is needed but until we change HOW we do business nothing will change. Whether your an Dem, Rep, Ind etc the deck is stacked and it's a rigged game.

phospher wrote: OverMyHead wrote: Do you realise that you are in fact an extremist as compared to the average american? (Admiiting it is the first step towards help) This will skew your impressions because of your point of view. Excuse me but I hate both democrats and republicans and anyone else who votes on party lines. And you cannot compare FoxNews to cnn. Perhaps MSNBC but not cnn.

skicat2001 wrote: phospher wrote: OverMyHead wrote: Do you realise that you are in fact an extremist as compared to the average american? (Admiiting it is the first step towards help) This will skew your impressions because of your point of view. Excuse me but I hate both democrats and republicans and anyone else who votes on party lines. And you cannot compare FoxNews to cnn. Perhaps MSNBC but not cnn.

I hate most democrats. I said, "MOST"!! They have very little economic common since to stimulating the free market. They believe it goes from bottom to top, when it goes from top to bottom.

Secondly most or all of them follow the un-christian way which is highly against the repbulican way (Pro Life) . abortion, same sex marriage, Which I know these are core values that are taught at home but if somebody will make a social judgment in this manor, make a decision like that, you have to question there character as a person. So what do you think they will do in office?? How can you let them make big decision for this country if they can not even make a correct social judgment towards human life.

skicat2001 wrote: Obama has accumulated over 14 trillion dollars of debt. Get your facts strait bro

You're 10 T off there bud; better check yours as well. And 'accumulated debt'? I suppose that's a valid way of expressing it, but it sure does roll my stomach.

skicat2001 wrote: ononewheel wrote: OverMyHead wrote: phospher wrote: skicat2001 wrote: First off, people need to understand us righties is we do not and will not tolorate large spending. Except war, we beleive in fighting for our freedom. Yeah, ok. What freedoms are we currently fighting for? I don't think our freedoms were ever at risk since World War II. And second off, we just hate the goverment. It is something we our just born with. Obama or lefties that believe the goverment should run this country and not the peps of America and free market get under my skin too. This economic systm was not designed to the goverment to interfer with jobs, taxs, wall street etc, but this country is desgined for the "American Dream", and the lefties always want to do things opposite so thats why I really dislike, and hate far left poloticians. When will people realize that this country is run for the top 1% by the top 1%? Liberal and conservatives cater to big business and wall street. Goldman Sachs runs this country. Here's a fact you may like. Did you know under President Obama, the U.S. has deported a record number of illegal immigrants? Give you an example, last night watching my loved Fox Nexs Pretty obvious that Fox News is your source for your information. Fox News only tells one side of the story and it is a very biased one. Are you a fan of Ayn Rand? Phil, I heard a quote from a russian leader that the US could not be defeated from the outside but we can easily destroy ourselves from within. The assualt of freedom we on the right are fighting has been taking place since the new deal. This country has not moved right. In fact the average republican today has social and economic views similar to the average democrat in the 60's. Do you realise that you are in fact an extremist as compared to the average american? (Admiiting it is the first step towards help) This will skew your impressions because of your point of view. I will freely admit that I am conservative and on the right side of the spectrum. So does FOX. Try to get CNN or CBS to admit they lean left though and it will not happen. This country is now at the point where it has spent itself broke, it tells private business that its customers cannot use legal products(smoking bans) it is about to dictate to cherios that there cereal is not healthy enough to be sold. Our President tells us on tv that we need to redistribute wealth for social justice. You complain about the tea party but you created them. The mother of the tea party is the freedoms supported by the visions of our founding fathers in our constitution, but the left is the illegitimate father. They planted the seed that grew the tea party by pushing average americans to far. The average american is much closer to me that to you. They will compromise to get along untill you push them to far. Currently they have been pushed way to far. Your policies lack any economic understanding. We were sold that if we did not raise our debt cieling we would have our ratings downgraded. so we raised it only to be told that the debt cieling was not the problem, it is our spending, just like the conservatives have been saying for 40 years. We have had a AAA rating since 1911. Giving you guys the presidency,house and senate for two years destroyed that. It is time to move right. your side has screwed us up enough and we will have to clean this up while dragging you kicking a nd screaming like spoiled kids. Thanks. Those immegrants being deported. You do realise that the very first act they did when entering our country was to break our laws. Try this in revearse and you will spend at least ten years in a Mexican jail. We politely point them back home only after they commit a second crime. Your view of what happened with the debt is amazing. - It was the Dems that offered all the compromise - The Repub held off until the last moment - Most of America does not support your view, (unless of course you are getting figures from Fox) - Congressional approval rating is at low point in history - it was the Rep who held out until the last few hours that likely caused the downgrade, as the agencies see it as instability - You think Demss have responsibility for this mess because we had control?     Really?, How many Americans do you think would agree with you on that? I for one knew it before Obama was even elected. For the record OVERMYHEAD, I never called you a racist. It was whoever had the nice little names for Obama. I have kept it fairly civil with you, and intend to/ OMG another idiot. You been brain washed bro, and need serious help. Obama has accumulated over 14 trillion dollars of debt. Get your facts strait bro and go put some lotion on your hands and go watch liberal TV with Woppie ***************g Goldberg. I feel sorry for you oner...

Moderator to the white courtesy phone please.....

We need a exploding head category....

ononewheel wrote: [Your view of what happened with the debt is amazing. - It was the Dems that offered all the compromise - The Repub held off until the last moment - Most of America does not support your view, (unless of course you are getting figures from Fox) - Congressional approval rating is at low point in history - it was the Rep who held out until the last few hours that likely caused the downgrade, as the agencies see it as instability - You think Demss have responsibility for this mess because we had control?     Really?, How many Americans do you think would agree with you on that? I for one knew it before Obama was even elected. For the record OVERMYHEAD, I never called you a racist. It was whoever had the nice little names for Obama. I have kept it fairly civil with you, and intend to/

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2nd part 1st. you stated people who support the Tea Party and voted aginst obama a racist. I have not attended any tea party events but I follow the movement and identify with the group. I feel I would be a memeber of the group you refer to and thus was being called a racist by association. Fact is despite the best efforts of liberals to catagorize the tea party this way I have not heard af anyone associated with this movement being charged with a hate crime, I have heard of no violent acts, peoplw of color have been welcomed with open arms at Tea party events, and the media has not been able to confirm any evidence of racism. This label is simply an effort to silence and discredit a group what they cannoteffectively argue against.

Now the first part. Republicans want budget cuts and we want them now. Offering a debt increase now in exchange for a decrease in the automatic 8% increase in baseline budgeting (Democrats call an increase less than 8% a cut)over the next ten years is a major compromise.

The house republicans passed cap and balance weeks before the deadline. The senate and president declared it dead on arrival. The house did their job. the senate could have modified the plan and sent it into reconcilliation but did not. The house created several other plans but the dems are now the party of no. Harry reids plan never got off the groung and the president with no plan of his own held out for a tax increase untill the last minute. His ideolgy lead to grid lock as much as the tea partys. It takes two to gridlock.

Poles from multiple sources have americans more americans wanting spending brought under control than those who dont. Your making me look up to much crap, youll have tot look for the poles yourself, and not on liberal blogs. Congress aproval is in the tank,I believe Harry Rieds is the lowest.

Obama keeps saying he inherited the debt from Bush, but if debt is the problem how would quadroopling it in his first two years make that better. That whole premise is the biggest crock I have ever heard, and I cannot believe he does not get called on it in every press conference he has. Obama made a campain promise that he would cut the debt in half in his first two years. He also promised to get out of Irag in 18 months, to reach across the isle, to have the most open administration ever.... It is easy to tell when he is lying... just look for his lips moving.

phospher wrote: OverMyHead wrote: Do you realise that you are in fact an extremist as compared to the average american? (Admiiting it is the first step towards help) This will skew your impressions because of your point of view. Excuse me but I hate both democrats and republicans and anyone else who votes on party lines. I am not a democrat or a republican and I'm a registered independent voter. I've voted both dems and repubs in the past. Like I said, they both suck 1% for the 1% it's all about money. And you cannot compare FoxNews to cnn. Perhaps MSNBC but not cnn.

Phil label yourself as you would like but the policies and values you put out are strait from the liberal playbook.

It is always about the money and the power. That is why I am for smaller government. Less money = less opportunity= less power =easier to monitor =less corruption. That is why our constitution should be viewed as a contract not a living document, and we should never have let our government get into the entitlement buiness which is now 65% of the budget and never needed to be in the buget at all.

I can compare and contrast FOX and CNN, they are both equally biased , fox to the right and CNN to the left. Differences, FOX admits it CNN does not.

6 pages of gridlock....no different than DC lol, now you can see why things are the way they are, nothing wrong with it, but rarely does anything good come from it

Kevin. You are of course correct but there are still many out there that will say more government spending and regulation are the solution. We are going into the double dip recession that many predicted. A stimulus delivers a short term boost to a few sectors of the econmy at the expense of long term growth. It can be judiciously used in a robust econmy but it is to big a burden on an economy that is alrady ailing. It is like drinking coffee when what you really need is rest. We are so eager for a guick fix that we sell out our future. We need to talk about and learn from the mistakes that we keep making so we do not continue to repeat them.