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Greg about half the points are useful, the other half take more than basic economics to debate but all assume a level of government where there is no retirement security or healthcare and no real public education will be acceptable. I dont see it happening..

OMH those numbers are pretty serious cherry picking of the facts and some real revisionist history.   Anyone using them is on the far end of right think bias you might want to be careful trusting that source. The 2009 budget was bushes and produced 1.3 trillion of deficit that you are handing to Obama in full..at least 8 months he had very limited control over.   as for unemployment rates.. when obama took office we were losing jobs at a rate of 700,000 plus a month and climbing.. currently we are gaining them at a rate of 100,000 a month. That might not be fast enough for you but it is a pretty serious turnaround..

JoeinNY wrote: Greg about half the points are useful, the other half take more than basic economics to debate but all assume a level of government where there is no retirement security or healthcare and no real public education will be acceptable. I dont see it happening.. OMH those numbers are pretty serious cherry picking of the facts and some real revisionist history.   Anyone using them is on the far end of right think bias you might want to be careful trusting that source. The 2009 budget was bushes and produced 1.3 trillion of deficit that you are handing to Obama in full..at least 8 months he had very limited control over.   as for unemployment rates.. when obama took office we were losing jobs at a rate of 700,000 plus a month and climbing.. currently we are gaining them at a rate of 100,000 a month. That might not be fast enough for you but it is a pretty serious turnaround..

Joe, Yes I did cherry pick. Mostly because one wheel opened the door for me to do so. I guess you view a turd differntly after you decide if you ate going to avoid stepping in it or decide you are going to throw some shellac on it and give it some polish

Phosper I am a biget so hush. damb big spenders liberal SOB'S...

Sorry Buffalo, I must have got my number wrong. Let me find the correct number. One website said Obama spent 2.7 trillion in in 8months.

We all know Obama is ttoast in 2012. So lets just hope the House can keep him striaight till then.

JoeinNY wrote: OMH those numbers are pretty serious cherry picking of the facts and some real revisionist history.   Anyone using them is on the far end of right think bias you might want to be careful trusting that source. The 2009 budget was bushes and produced 1.3 trillion of deficit that you are handing to Obama in full..at least 8 months he had very limited control over.

Thanks for joining me in the cherry picking but over 700 billion of the 2009 deficit (thats half of the 1.3 trillion) was Obamas stimulus which he had full control over. Was that the one we had to pass to keep uneemployment under 8%, I cant remember.

BREAKING NEWS From MSNBC (can't argue with that source )

All but one of the Republicans are leading as of right now in the RECALL Elections in Wisconsin today.

I guess the citizens of Wisconsin are telling the libs ONE MORE TIME, they are fed up with the old tax and spend ways. When will the left give it up?!?!?!? Hee hee hee!!!

I wonder what tricks they will come up with to try and stop this?? Lets see, I bet there will have to be recounts. Then, after that, liberal judges in Madison will declare the results invalid and illegal. Mark my words.

To you all that propose a balanced budget amendment.

From the S&P:
This weekend the head of S&P, John Chambers, publicly dismissed that idea as foolhardy when he said passage of a BBA would hurt, not help, America’s creditworthiness. Chambers, S&P’s managing director, told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer that a balanced budget measure “would just reduce your flexibility in a crisis”:

    BLITZER: Would it be important or not that important for Congress to pass a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution?

    CHAMBERS: In general, we think that fiscal rules like these just diminish the flexibility of the government to respond. Also, when Congress has a long track record of trying to bind itself with various rules…But when push comes to shove, they don’t bind very much. So even if you had a Balanced Budget Amendment, you’d have some questions about it’s credibility, and it would just reduce your flexibility in a crisis.

    Five surgeons from big cities are discussing who makes the Best patients to operate on.

    The first surgeon, from New York , says, 'I like to see accountants on my operating table because when you open them up, everything inside is numbered..'

    The second, from Chicago , responds, 'Yeah, but you should try electricians! Everything inside them is color coded.'

    The third surgeon, from Los Angeles, says, 'No, I really think librarians are the best, everything inside them is in alphabetical order'

    The fourth surgeon, from San Francisco chimes in: 'You know, I like construction workers....Those guys always understand when you have a few parts left over.

    But the fifth surgeon, from Washington, DC shut them all up when he observed: 'You're all wrong. Politicians are the easiest to operate on. There's no guts, no heart, no balls, no brains ,and no spine. Plus, the head and the ass are interchangeable.

ononewheel wrote: To you all that propose a balanced budget amendment. From the S&P: This weekend the head of S&P, John Chambers, publicly dismissed that idea as foolhardy when he said passage of a BBA would hurt, not help, America’s creditworthiness. Chambers, S&P’s managing director, told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer that a balanced budget measure “would just reduce your flexibility in a crisis”:     BLITZER: Would it be important or not that important for Congress to pass a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution?     CHAMBERS: In general, we think that fiscal rules like these just diminish the flexibility of the government to respond. Also, when Congress has a long track record of trying to bind itself with various rules…But when push comes to shove, they don’t bind very much. So even if you had a Balanced Budget Amendment, you’d have some questions about it’s credibility, and it would just reduce your flexibility in a crisis.

Is this the same S&P that micalculated by two trilliion when downgrading the US credit rating?

I only heard mention of the math problems, I am not up on the details but I heard they regrouped and said the downgrade was based on the gridlock and not the numbers. Not good for a ratings agency. Sounds more and more like S&P was playing politics. I an also hearing moodys got some pressure from high up not to follow suit with a downgrade.

Damn....
We are such pawns....

So one wheel, do you have a boat or are you just here for the political conversation?

OverMyHead wrote: So one wheel, do you have a boat or are you just here for the political conversation?

Yeah, I have an Excel 1993 and a 92 SN I just bought. Forum took me by surprise and I have not started a diary or photos yet. Winter is long here in WI so that is when I will get to that.

Ononewheel comes from my motorcycle days, thats how I like to ride. Now, I lost a leg in combat and I thought the name kinda fit now.    

Swimming, boating, kneeboarding, and sking (slalom of course) is a ton of fun for me now, especially with less weight. No more motorcycles....

Yeah, my wife and I were contemplating it, the reunion. Next year for sure.

I really enjoy the site and it has been a great resource for us. Off topic is just that for me too. I enjoy politics and really think you guys have a great thing going here. i do try to keep it civil here as well.

Im still fcn laughin

eric lavine wrote: i think Ive figured out the difference between the righties and the lefties, us lefties kick back and sip on beers, you righties chug the beers, put the bottles on a fence post and shoot em