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davidg wrote: Seth....Just like the public worker unions in Wisconsin, why can't the fine union members of Verizon kick in a little bit for thier own healthcare and retirement. I guess we quickly found out how much power the union has. They got their arses back to work under the old deal. And....if they don't like their jobs, maybe they should look elsewhere. I like your idea on that. Dave....A few kernels of truth?? Come on, these liberals must be getting to you and clouding your judgement. That whole story, while admittedly long-winded, was packed with many truths of exactly how the left operates in this country.

It is all so clear now.

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Why is the right so quick to take the side of "big business"? Last year Verizon had a net profit of 1.61 billion. Let that sink in a bit.


1,600,000,000,.00

The middle of this country has stepped up and paid, shared the burden, what ever you want to call it. And you advocate for taking more from them?

You HATE the ideas of more taxes. But on the other hand, let the corporations do the damage, and you will help the corporations take it from the middle.

You do not even know what you said about the Verizon situation. Have you any knowledge about it, any?

You are right about your statement about Verison workers going back to work, under the old deal. BUT.   It was Verizon who wanted to change the deal, workers stood up, went on strike, and now Verizon is going to take any change a little slower and have talks before action is taken.

I grew up on the ant and grasshopper story, and I think that new version is priceless. 2 points David! All it's missing is something from our race pimps.

I work on a guys boat, no pun but straight from Oklahoma, and to give you an idea of what he knows about boats is i asked him what rpm the boat was running at and he answered "at the 50 mark" which to me and you means 5000 rpm at wot.
anyways, my 1st grader has a better vocabulary than him, on a Saturday on OT, he clips them for 65.00 an hour,he works for the power company, I handed him a bill and his jaw dropped, how, why, the typical BS
i charged him my full rate at 85.00 an hour and the MFER questioned it,
im trying to think of the hidden meassage here, im like look, in order for me to sustaine and provide a service i need 13k a month to break even, that means i have to generate 20k a month to pay my bills, this bulding aint free these lights arent free, im not free......so tell me why you deserve 65 bucks an hour? (and he probably stands around for half the day)

Greg, it use to take in tons of money, it doesnt anymore, the government has always spent money on the cuff because they had it,
in some wierd way I think you pubbys simply just want them to print more, the easy fix....why tax someone? keep the presses rolling

I look at vote buying, handshakes and swaying contracts as a necessary evil, as long as that money stays inside our borders and re-circulating it back into the economy. give me a milly, and i am going shopping, I will put that doe right back out there until im rubbing 2 nickels together. what would happen if someone handed you a milly?

eric lavine wrote: i live in America not Africa, if you starve in this country its your own fault.

That sounds a little pubby to me!   

Please go watch that clip so you can see where your money is going.

eric lavine wrote: helping others does mean a welfare check

It does to the democrats, Keepeing them just poor enough bus an ever expaanding voting pool. Which does no favor to the poor. they remain poor for ever. the part that bugs me is they are mistreating the poor and buying votes with MY money, i could give it to programs that lft the poor out of poverty if the governmnet did not take it out of my hands first. As a flooring contracctor I can sell a customer flooring at a variety of prie and quality levels. I will not let them buy garbage that will not serve them, I get them good quality products at the best price I can. I mark up products 10% to cover my sales time, the industry typically marks up 30%. I can make more money by marking up more or selling more expensive products, but when I take money from someone I owe it to them to be responsible with it and not squander it. i believe this and I am a evil for profit private corporation. This is all i expect from our so called "public servants". Government blows money like it came from a monopoly board, and the answer is not to give them more of it. they need to be put on a budget like the rest of us.

These programs that lift the poor out of poverty?.....

I love how the poor get the shaft in this conversation. Say nothing of the cost of war, or the amount of money on security for this nation wasted needlessly.

I am a Marine, and I saw it everyday.

And what a load insinuating poor people vote democrat....
The poor southern half have a God, guts, and guns mentality (or lack of), that closely models the far right.

You are talking of poverty and you seem to worry about them quite a bit. I dont mind helping them folks out, our country is great like that. But what are half of welfare folks on, what do poor folks do when you flip em 5 at a light. You think they really have a agenda to get out of the poverty life. Hell no! Boozers, loosers, dont want to work anyways. When you give em the 5, straight to the store for booze or to the dealers house.

I think the next pubby that gets elected, fix this welfare crap. Everyone can get on it but high stipulations and DRUG TESTS to being on welfare. I guranntee that over half of peps on welfare are on the ***************g crak pipe when they are suppose to buy food, shoes, diapers for the babys but they dont care.

when you dont give em money they show up at your door,
one on one, the figure is 3.6 trillion for a war on oil and we didnt get any, I havnt look at the casualty numbers either.

ononewheel wrote: Dave, It used to work that way, it was called profit sharing. That isn't what the Verzion strike was all about but whatever. ....Hey, I just agreed with you. Don't get used to it.

Seth, I wont get used to it but it is kind of nice now and then.

Verizon has many divisions each has performance expectations, while Verizon is profitable overall they own some phone utilities that are old school wires on poles. The guys that maintain the lines are the ones with issues. Unfotunatly that particular industry is in decline. People are dumping hard wired phones for internet phone and cell service. Providers are having to drop prices to compete, and the infrastructure is aging and needing more repair. This is a dying industry. I would not be surprised if someone told me new developments will no longer be wired for telephone service in the near future. It can all be handled with cable, satalite and cell. It will take time but phone lines will likely go the way of the horse and buggy. Unfortunatly the jobs and money will go with them. I worked in a profitable division of a company that was losing money elsewhere, it is an injustice to have money taken from one division to prop up another on a long term basis. We would see facilities remodled and continue to loose money while we drove ambulances with 300+ thousand miles on them and were told there were no funds to replace them. Things change and that has consequences. Sometimes your job drops in value and pay and bennifits will have to reflect that.

Good article by Stephen Moore, refer to the link below:

Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics

I agree whole heartly that "Reagan applied tax cuts and other policies that, yes, took the deficit to unchartered peacetime highs.
But that borrowing financed a remarkable and prolonged economic expansion and a victory against the Evil Empire in the Cold War. What exactly have Mr. Obama's deficits gotten us?"

Randy

89Ski_Nautique wrote: Good article by Stephen Moore, refer to the link below: Obamanonics vs. Reaganomics I agree whole heartly that "Reagan applied tax cuts and other policies that, yes, took the deficit to unchartered peacetime highs. But that borrowing financed a remarkable and prolonged economic expansion and a victory against the Evil Empire in the Cold War. What exactly have Mr. Obama's deficits gotten us?" Randy

That is an interesting article. Kinda what I thought before I even read it, Mr. Moore has been a supply side guru from day one.

Because that article leaves out so many details it can hardly be used to bolster support for "lowering taxes".   Anyone with an above average knowledge base in economics of any sort, articulate, and a forum for their particular ideology could do the exact same work Mr. Moore has done.   During these years the economy had nowhere to go but up, remember that.

Remember there were problems with regan too.

The horse is only half as good as having the carriage with the horse.


The economy had nowhere to go but up under Bush, and lowered taxes didn't help there.

Well, did you read what I posted about the drug testing?   Are you just going to sweep what I said under the rug, and forget about it?

Ok, so we require them to do work. I agree with you!!

Except that about shoots the argument of government creating jobs right in the heart.