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My manual for a model 10-17 calls for "Dexron II, Type F"
Local auto parts stores have Type F, but no Dextron II.
They have Dexron III and IV, but I don't think I'm supposed to use that. Tranny came back from rebuild with some fluid in it but I' don't know what it is. Guess I'll have to give FFI a call.
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Valvoline Dex/Merc is what these guys suggested to the best of my knowledge.
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dexron/mercon or compatible
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Dexron Mercon III or Dex Merc V?
There's a ton of info out there on ATF. Should probably be a separate topic, but why can't we use synthetic on the old Velvet Drive Warner transmissions?
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Originally posted by lison lison wrote:

why can't we use synthetic on the old Velvet Drive Warner transmissions?

The coefficient of friction. You do NOT have an automotive trans. The marine is totally different.


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That's right. I remember a story somebody told once, maybe Eric. If you put synthethic in your hands there would never be any friction. I guess is the same for a clutch, withouth friction it won't work. Sounds like marine transmission are like a motorcycle with a wet clutch. The friction is needed in the transmission.
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Ah yes. Now I remember rebuilding the Hodaka and Bultaco clutches.
Got the tranny bolted in the boat last night. So far, so good. It almost went in too easy. Makes me nervous! Didn't have to rotate the crank, just the output of the trans. to line up the splines and it went right in. Shaft flanges appear to be off by about a quarter inch. Lining up good port to starboard, but engine sits a little higher than the prop shaft. Maybe because it's not in the water yet. Still gotta hook up hoses and lines, put the new prop on and repack the gortex. Then get it in the water for final adjustments. Time to get at it.
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[QUOTE=lison] Ah yes. Now I remember rebuilding the Hodaka and Bultaco clutches.
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Originally posted by lison lison wrote:

Shaft flanges appear to be off by about a quarter inch.

Don't forget the weight of the prop shaft forward at the stuffing box will allow it to be lower. When you get to the alignment, it's best to pull the hose/stuffing box forward so you can see if the shaft is centered in the log. You also want to make sure the shaft is "happy" (turns freely) in the strut. Don't forget your feeler gauges - I'd hate to see you send the trans back to Eric again!!!


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Thanks much. Will do things right. Everything set to go. Got feeler gauges,tools, ATF (would only take a qt. initially).Reading up one more time on adjustment procedure.
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Had to drop the transmission a little, but biggest issue was moving the front of the motor to the starboard side. One side didn't want to move. In hindsight, should have freed up those motor mounts when I had a better chance. Glad I'd sprayed them with penetrating fluid. Two and a half hours later, within tolerances and on the water, running sweet. No noticeable vibrations or issues. Thanks for the advice. I'll edit the install list for the next Correct Craft owner needing some help. -Luther
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Originally posted by lison lison wrote:

Had to drop the transmission a little, but biggest issue was moving the front of the motor to the starboard side. One side didn't want to move. In hindsight, should have freed up those motor mounts when I had a better chance. Glad I'd sprayed them with penetrating fluid. Two and a half hours later, within tolerances and on the water, running sweet. No noticeable vibrations or issues. Thanks for the advice. I'll edit the install list for the next Correct Craft owner needing some help. -Luther

Did you get it down to less than .003" between the flanges? If so, fantastic!!!


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Got it down to .003 - .004 but I question whether there will be some settling of the engine and transmission. Motor mounts to stringers, mounts themselves, prying the front of the engine to the starboard, plenty of room for something to move. .003 for all that is a stretch. I wonder what it was before I pulled it apart, and if it lead to the tranny breaking down.
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Originally posted by lison lison wrote:

Got it down to .003 - .004

.003 for all that is a stretch. I wonder what it was before I pulled it apart, and if it lead to the tranny breaking down.


I'd keep going at it. You're on the high side especially the .004" It's not hard to get it down to .000 - it just takes time and some playing around.


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Ya, think I'll give it another go. I need to take the starboard front motor mount off and free it up better. Don't know why they didn't design it like the up and down, threaded adjustment. Cranking, pouinding, prying the entire engine laterally is not very precise.
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