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john b
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Turbo car? I love turbo cars! 13:39 @ 109. Not nearly the fastest 2.2 in my chapter of the club, but a good sleeper! turbo cars |
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1970 Mustang "Theseus' paradox"
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mountaineerminer
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ya....i had a thing for late 80's turbo cars. I have had 2 Supras and a 300zx. its funny because 300HP was amazing them...my trailblazer SS has 400hp and would spank both with a boat behind it, lol
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john b
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Bet it wouldn't spank the 134cid minivan in our chapter, or my old turbo minivan (mini) either. It may be a match for my 89 turbo GTC.
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mountaineerminer
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Hardware Questions,
Am I correct to assume that I should replace my rudder port due to the crack seen in the pic below? If I do need to replace it, where is the best place to find the correct replacement? The ones listed on N3 and NatiqueParts seem to be outside mount and Buck Alogonquin dosent appear to have anyting in the correct diminsons in an inside mount(4x4 flange, 3" bolt spacing, 2 1/2" under flange). Getting the cart before the horse on this one, but.....does anyone know of a replacment for the thru-hull speedo pickup/pitot tube? Has anyone had luck fixing a damaged one? Thanks! Mike |
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john b
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I have a spare rudder port. If you need one, which it looks like you do, ill put it on ice for you when you're ready. I will keep it as spare parts if you go another way. In any case it will be here.
I am feeling better about parting the 69 Mustang knowing that much of it will help keep others on the water. |
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peter1234
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i replaced mine this yr with the closest thing i could find it was from buck algonquin and all dimensions were right except the lower length , i just shortened it to match my old one . the other difference is that the port is much thicker but the hole in my hull had room for it .
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former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go
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SNobsessed
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For reference, www.deepblueyachtsupply.com sells these type of items.
Used is the way to go, they are expensive new! |
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Gary S
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Peter wasn't it you that had a thread going about the poor hi speed handling of your boat? And wasn't it Reid ? that suggested shorting the rudder port.Looks to me he could cut it off where the crack stops and it will still be longer than the hull thickness.He would have to shim the top to make up the difference.
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mountaineerminer
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Gary,
I guess under that theory I could even cut off the cracked portion (keep from spreading)and use the spacer between the rudder and the bottom of the rudder port to maintain the same length if needed. Or, I could braze or silver solder the crack.... I am worring about this now because I am getting ready to fit the wood at the stern that the rudder port goes through and I dont want to set it up for my current rudder port if I need to replace it with a slightly different version. John, Will you be around tomorrow? I wanted to give you a call, I had a few questions. Thanks guys! |
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peter1234
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Gary yes I only changed mine because it was bent and Reid recommended shortening it (it seems to have helped). even if he cant reuse the cutoff portion on top you can get bronze or brass spacers i believe.
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former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go
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john b
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Do you mean me? I am always around, call anytime even if just to talk. Be aware that I really have no knowledge pertaining to the rudder assembly that will help you make a decision. There are others here who have experience and, most likely, have good answers. My Mustang project is easy, I am, to borrow a phrase from Pete, just keeping it original. I don't intend to change anything except the automotive carburetor. It is interesting that my 69 & 70 Mustangs have different rudders. I think the ports are the same, but I would have to check to be absolutely certain. Yours is probably the same as the 69. My spare rudder port is up in the "Land of Cheese". |
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john b
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Just another thought. Cutting the sleve shorter will necessarily result in higher loading on the remaining surface area and less vertical stability. It may be that surface loading is not particularly important and the compromise of a shorter sleve provides some desired handling effect for some reason, but the fact that it cracked would cause me to carefully consider whether I want to subject it to even higher loading pressures.
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mountaineerminer
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Looking for a tip or some insight:
When replacing the blocks that the exhaust tips go through what is the best way to duplicate the compound angle of the hole in the wood? I used the old blocks as a guide and drilled them out with a hole saw before glassing to the transom. Although this seemed to accurately duplicate the angle of the hole it is a little difficult to line up accurately. More than likely I am just being too nit-picky and the tips where not perfectly straight to begin with but maybe I am missing something. Thanks! |
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mountaineerminer
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Gary, John, or anyone else intimate with the center console SS boats of the mid-late 60's; is the deck/sole depressed under the console? I know the floor pan has a cut-out where the console mounted, but what about the glass and foam under the pan?
I am mocking up the “plumbing” and started to think about routing the control cables. The set of controls I have extends slightly below the bottom of the console and will need a depression to extend into. Thanks for any insight, -Mike |
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john b
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Yes, I believe the floor is cut out all the way to the hull, but don't take my word for it. I am far from an expert. Wait for Gary or Vondy or another export to reply before you do anything.
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mountaineerminer
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After a test fit of the console and controls I would say your right John. You need all the room you can get for a smooth radius on the cable.
That leads me to another observation. Although my boat has an MSS serial number, it probably did not have the console from the factory…. At a crossroad once again! |
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john b
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This may be a little late, Mike, but here is what the pitot looks like. I finally remembered to bring it home and take a photo.
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mountaineerminer
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John,
I just saw your post on the pitot. I had stopped posting but have not stopped working on the boat, haha. I have been exceptionally busy with work the last several months. I actually just found NOS pitots for sale on ebay last week. I bought 2 encase I ran one into a log or something. They have more available, here is the link; http://www.ebay.com/itm/231058716243?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 I need to get some updated pictures up soon. I have gotten a lot done so far. Mike |
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Gary S
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Mike,sorry I dropped the ball on your posts,I missed your question completely. This is the best picture I have of where the console went,
CC just cut everything away where the console went. They cut the cross member out in the front where the controls are,you can see where I replaced it and they cut into the pylon mount for clearance for the glove box. I ended up cutting a section out of the box and making it shorter rather than cutting into the pylon mount again This is the best picture I have for the control cut out, this is my sub floor. I also had to cut thru about half way thru that cross member in the first picture too. |
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Thanks Gary,
I ended up making the hole much bigger than that, haha! Since I don't have a center console box I left the pylon support intact. I am planning on building a mold and making a box to fit into the console once the boat is put back together. |
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