Baracks self assesment

davidg wrote: OOW....Thought you were giving up the political posts? Good to see you back in here though. I always looked forward to your posts. Don't agree with you, but, always enjoyed the read/perspective.      By the way, you forgot to mention that BO has greatly expanded the Federal employee workforce by a HUGE number, submitted one budget that got laughed out of Congress, exploded our national debt, and has now weakened our ability to get away from Middle East oil and lost a chance to create tens of thousands "non government" jobs by shooting down pipeline deal with Canada. But, he will now still get the tree huggers votes. PS: Good luck on the Walker recall. I wonder how many times they will find Mickey Mouse's signature in all those recall petitions.

I tried to give it up but like you I do enjoy the perspective of others.
Really though, I have been so dang bored, I just couldn't resist. I can only watch the recall can for so long before it gets boring. Here is the link if you feel up to it, watch it for too long and I swear you will be drinking the hardest booze you can find.
recall cam
I am going to keep it pretty light hearted. Sometimes it is hard to tell someones true intent by just reading, so I might be wading in dangerous waters, but that is all I am doing wading. I have learned so dang much from this forum, I cannot stay away.

Statements like yours above is why I do post here.
1. Federal workforce is a bad thing? Ask those federal workers what they would be doing without that job. Hopefully it wouldn't be collecting an unemployment check. At least you are getting something for your tax dollars and remember that money goes right back into the economy.
2. Most things Obama submits to congress gets laughed at. Look at the deadlock we have over the most mundane issues.
3. I think you will get the precious Keystone pipeline at some point, but I must point out that the 20,000 job number is inflated, 20k comes from the GOP, and there are three other studies that estimate at the highest job count at 6,000. And even then they are mostly construction jobs which won't last long. I can link the studies if you wish.
You could get that amount of jobs with renewable energy, well lots more than 20k, if we made the products here and we actually implemented them. How is oil from outside our country better than oil from out of our country?


Lastly, have you heard Walkers comments on the recall? He wants the election now and he believes there will be enough signatures. I get a real laugh over his comments how "big union out of state money" is the driving force. He says that while he is in New York fund raising. And so far he has 5.1 million in out of state contributions.
But if anybody can screw it up, it will be the democrats.

I am an Independent.
I look at all options, Democratic, Republican and Indepentent.
I do not like to be put into a box.. you miss things that way.

I would have voted for Kerry if he had not picked Edwards for VP.
He did not carry NC for a reason, we knew about Edwards....

I watch what has happened in the last 3 years and do not see what was
advertised. No excuses for any party. Dems had 2 years and I do not agree with what they decided was important.

My opinion and my vote. Both are open minded.

You have to make choices in life.
I made mine and will live with it... And say that he made mistakes.

Does not mean that I accept mistakes from this point forward.

eric lavine wrote: no, you should learn from them

I do not think that all Republicans are the same no more than I think all Democrates are the same.

Example: If Hillary would run against Obama and won the nomination, I would like to see what she can do. Meaning that she would have my vote to lose.

Just like some progressives in the past stated...."for every dollar the Fed's pay in welfare/unemployment benefits, the economy recieves ~$1.80 in economic stimulus". Hey, if thats the case, why don't we just have the whole country go on welfare. The economy would boom

Federal workforce? Not that we don't need some Fed's, but, you have to ask if some of these jobs aren't just beauracratic BS jobs. I think its the later. The government is just getting too big. I think we should have a low tax rate, and adjust the govt accordingly to revenues vs. increasing revenues (taxes) to keep up with growing government.

Oil....is indeed a global commodity, but, the higher supply of a given commodity, the lower the price. We need to have more supply right here in North America. It will cut back on the emmssions from the tankers coming over from Arabia. Progressives should love that

Walker/Wisconsin.....lets call it the 15% vs the 85%. Why should the 85% (non government employees) continue to pay for 100% of the 15%'s (govt employees) healthcare, and retirment benefits? They didn't take a pay cut, or get laid of. Walker is just asking to kick in a little bit of for thier own benefits...JUST LIKE WE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR HAVE TO!! What is so awful about that??

I do not believe any of them anymore.
I believe in results.
And I have not seen any for too many years.

eric lavine wrote: you ever been around a filthy rich person, they got their arms around their money

Not what I would call filthy... he only had 40 million last we talked money.

ononewheel wrote: Well, you asked.   At the bottom is a website where you can check the ref's if you wish.     1. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending 2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices ..........

An 89 point list leading off with two totally misleading statements. Ordering and implementing are two different things. Leaders set a vision, and then make sure it comes to reality. This is the guy who said george bushes .8 trillion dollar deficit was "unpatriotic". Barrack is asking for another trillion dollar increase in our debt limit this week. In the first 233 years of this country we incurred roughly 10 trillion dollars in debt, in Barracks first three he has racked up another 6 trillion. How much new spending has he proposed compared to what he has proposed cutting? To paint him as a fiscal conservative is just bogus, and is a testament to the lack of credibility of the source.

surpassed the 50% mark on foriegn oil, that means we are not using Saudi oil....democratic values
maybe they should put that fence up on the Texas border (north) lol, ski, you cant compare Bush to Obama
I say, Obama, keep doin what your doin

harddock wrote: eric lavine wrote: surpassed the 50% mark on foriegn oil, that means we are not using Saudi oil....democratic values maybe they should put that fence up on the Texas border (north) lol, ski, you cant compare Bush to Obama I say, Obama, keep doin what your doin Consumption is down. Your right You can't compare Bush to Obama, and if I tried you'd jump in and call me racist.

Every report I look at, including the DOE report, indicates that oil imports are down due to reduced consumption as a result of the recession and improved efficiency.

Repeating this without giving credit is like the Obama comercial currently running in NC. Obama takes total credit. Not becoming to a sitting president.

skicat2001 wrote: eric lavine wrote: (north) lol, ski, you cant compare Bush to Obama You got that right eric.. Totally 2 different presidents with different polocies. One for the white guy...

Well, if you want a Bush again, you need not worry. You have three to chose from, and a spoiler. The three have about the same POLICY as Bush.

Policy, or policies, the way you write it reminds me of Nancy every time you type it. Is that why you do that?

Seriously, you have some conviction man.

it is, what it is
more efficient cars? EPA....democratic values

it did take clinton more than one term to get things straightened out

eric lavine wrote: you ever been around a filthy rich person, they got their arms around their money

I will take that over a group of politicians with there hands my wallet.

Look at Mitts tax return, he is pretty generous, or he just has to much to keep his arms around. He donated donated about 3 million last year. I think When Al Gore shared his return he had donated 250 dollars. That says something about character.

Barrack sure can spin the facts. In his state of his campaign speech he sited that oil imports were down and fewer illegals are crossing the border. Both are due to the crap economy, fewer people can afford to drive and the Mexicans are just as well off staying home. We probably have increased grocery sales too,thanks to all the people on food stamps .