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eric lavine
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if you do slice, you can get a split type walters coulping that will clamp on the shaft, that's if the shaft is straight and the end isnt fretted, 800-462-8848 TMI carries the split type 4" flange 1" shaft
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Foot_Fungus
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no ***************, that would be the cats meow. I was gonna cut the coupler, then go buy a regular coupler and bake that sucker and do a 'hot potato' install, but if that split coupler will work just as well that seems worth a few extra bucks... Heck its still gotta be cheaper then a new ARE shaft. Anything special they'll need to know or just a 4" flange with a 1" ID keyed?
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crobi2
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I also think you should just toss the money at it and use an A.R.E. system shaft. I have pictures of the shaft and also a picture of my old walter's style 3 1/2 in coupler on this link: http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=24811&KW=&title=replacing-cutless-bearing I also read somewhere that if you are going to split your old coupler lengthwise, use a cutoff wheel and cut it right along the keyway slot. Of course, I think Eric is also right about just cutting the shaft off with the cutoff wheel and being done with it. It will be worth the money to do it yourself and then be able to take the shaft out at will. Check your cutless bearing and go ahead and do it too if it's ready. |
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eric lavine
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just call and tell them what you have, ask for tony
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Foot_Fungus
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After 2 hours, 3 chisels, and a 4.5" cutoff wheel the coupler has seen its last hoorah. Ended up slicing down the key on one side and then notched the 180 degree opposite side. Used the chisels to pry it open like a clam till the non-key side closed back up, cut another notch and spread it a little more. Took 3 notches and a slow pace, but it came off without damaging the shaft. Though the key is toast.
Dropped by SkiDIM and spoke with Vince today and he agreed to give the coupler hell since I really had nothing to loose. They have a coupler instock probably still on his desk that I'll swing by tomorrow and grab. Now I just need to do some searching for a how to on putting it back on. From what I gather I heat the sucker up for 30 minutes then hot potato it onto the shaft. I'm just curious if I should clean up the surface rust on the coupler end of the shaft or leave it be. The boat has 900hrs on it so I'm thinking I might as well do the strut bearing while I have it off. Just means I won't get to get back on the water this weekend :( |
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crobi2
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Congratulations! Awesome job getting the coupler off without damaging your shaft. I would lightly remove the surface rust from the shaft. Make sure Vince gives you a new key that fits the coupler. Also check it on your driveshaft to make sure everything is going to go together smoothly. Don't forget to block the prop end of the shaft so you have something solid to push against when you slide the coupler on.
Watch Pete's video on shaft alignment if you haven't gotten to see it yet. |
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8122pbrainard
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After you clean up the shaft, make sure it's not fretted to much by measuring it. Erik mentioned it besides myself. You should have about a .000" to about .0005" interference fit.
It would also be a good idea to check to make sure the shaft is straight both down it's length but also just behind the strut on the prop taper. |
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SNobsessed
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Check the key for fitup before you have a 400 degree coupler in your hand. That was a problem for someone else recently.
Great job cutting it off, you must have a steady hand. The parting wheels make me nervous! |
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Foot_Fungus
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Picked up all the parts from skidim this afternoon and got everything tore apart. Decided to go ahead and do the strut bearing while I had it apart. Found a new way to remove the bearing after cussing at the hacksaw for 20 minutes. Turns out a 13/16" impact socket will fit in the strut perfectly. Lubed it up and tapped the bearing right out. Then used a punch to knock the socket back out. Literally took me 5 minutes. rubber was in the beginning stages of dry rot, but wear pattern was normal(had a little vertical play but no side to side). Not sure if its the original but it was a single piece 4" brass outer/rubber inner bearing.
Turns out instead of repacking the stuffing box the PO just kept tightening down the cap. The lock nuts was bottomed out and took some finessing to get off. Pulled it apart and found the below material. Only 2 rings and the 2nd looked like it had been combined from leftover pieces. The material crumbled in my hands. Put a dial indicator on the shaft and she's straight and true. Only real issue I had was trying to get the stuffing box loose on the rudder. Pulled the rudder off just fine and decided since the thing wasn't leaking I would leave it alone for now. Sucker is corroded on there and I'm betting its the same issue as with my shaft box. And to the CC factory people, seriously why on earth did you put the pitman arm clamp bolt on the rear of the clamp instead of facing the front where it would of been easy to get to. |
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eric lavine
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I find myself going round and round with these Alabama ship mechanics, they gotta 18" jack or stub shaft sitting on two pillow blocks up in this ferry that runs to the 30 ft main prop shaft, so we have almost 50 ft of shaft, and now they are flying in a laser guy, was pulled in the office already and asked who i worked for and replied "for my family" oops.. then who signs your paycheck? lol
Im just fcn curious on how you can run a laser line on a 50 foot run on a 55 year old sagging boat up on cribbing...and to date no one has asked me about the pilotless, fitted bolt couplings up in the boat? This yard was never really into ship repair, more of a pull tug company untill they purchased the travel lift, so far though I enjoy working there, more stories to come |
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8122pbrainard
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Eric,
You are correct - they had better drop that thing in the water before the laser guy goes to work!! I think you had better talk with him. He sounds like a pro with the shaft alignment using the laser. If so, he'll understand immediately. No pilots on the couplings!!! I wonder if the were aligned, bolted down and then drilled/reamed for dowel pins for the alignment?? What's on them for the alignment? |
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eric lavine
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yep, no pilots, all fitted and reamed bolts, including the rudder bolts which i had to weld a 1" nut to each of them and pull with a porta power, they wanna pull that 18 footer which will be a 4 day project, this stub shaft has welded flanges and is tweeked about .012 over the 18 ft run, they want to cut up the boat to get her out because of its length and flange size, it was put in when the boat was built...smart ass me of course suggested, why not cut the old one out without cutting the fck outta the boat, manufacture a a tapered keyed shaft at both ends with seperate couplings, slide the shaft down the prop tubes and install the couplings????? thats why I get paid the big bucks lol, they are starting to catch on lol
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eric lavine
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Pete, no need for dowel pins on the couplings because of the fitted bolts, they hold a .000 clearance fit, normally if you have some mis-alignment at the couplings the bolts will not come out...up in the engine room it took a few light taps to get all the bolts out and the couplings didnt seperate, which tells me for now she is pretty good on the alignment up there, I really can see the 30 ft shaft as being the problem at this point because the port Aft bearing is worn at the 5 oclock position and the starboard is worn at the 7 oclock, the forward ones at the trans end are perfect. some history on the shafts are the are supposedly forgerd steel not stainless, they have been welded up twice at the bearing areas...i really think the shafts are just whooped....they think alignment, they are worn evenly on both sides from the prop torque, they spin out board, they are the original shafts, i really think they are experiencing the paprclip effect
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eric lavine
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key point, wheel speed is about 400 rpm at WOT because of the reduction
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