Obama's Amnesty Move!!

Joe, I never said the republicans were trying to buy an election. I did say that that is a democrat way of doing business and finnally the republicans are raising money to combat this. Yes, that doesn't make it right but some times you need to set a fire to fight a fire.

Go back to the last election and recount the record setting amounts Team Obama were spending. They were poised to do it again but this time republicans are ready for them.

davidg wrote: davidg wrote: ononewheel wrote: davidg wrote: - Walkers "big win" might not be so glorious when you consider his party also lost the leg. that night too.Well, Repubs are requesting a recount. What are you gloating for? ((( And because you are more interested in gloating, and I am not sure you understand, that means Wlaker is going to have a tough time ramming anything through.)))) OOW....Not that it matters, but, I forgot to mention that even though the Republicans lost the legislature, it is pretty much meaningless. The Senate is not in session now. New elections will be held in November, and the new Senate will then convene in January. So, its purely symbolic for now unless a special session is convened. Just wanted to make sure I provided accurate information. I know you guys are sticklers for accuracy

Interestingly enough, you bring up a valid point. Mr. VanWanarrd, requested a recount over 824 votes. He pays $654 for the recount and the county pays the remainder.

Yeh, good point. How much will that cost for the count? Wait, a republican wasting the money too?

Your right it doesn't matter.   Now what were you trying to prove? Your backing the wasteful spender? Or you were saying how much this helps Walker?

Seth, You do realize that this is a multimillion dollar economic stimulus package putting money in to local economies being funded entirely by a 1%er, right?

The silly billion dollar war chest talk came from Karl Rove and has been perpetrated through parrots as a fact by people that now include yourself to get people wound up enough so that they wouldnt mind the fact that 12 to 15 people decided the republican nomination and are going to try and do the same for the general election. It was never reality.

McCain got spanked in spending... nobody donated because he had no chance whatsoever of winning. Whether you are left right or purple the party of the sitting president loses when he has plunged a country from surplus to massive debt, started but not finished multiple wars, screwed up the response to a massive oil spill, and has broken the global finacial system and send the economy into free fall. Nobody ponies up to back a loser... it is just throwing good money after bad. All that being said approx 50% of obamas money came from those donating 20 or less and 50% of mccains money came from those donating 2300 or more. Obama simply had an order of magnitude higher amount of donors.. that there is democracy in my mind... whereas having 10 times as much money from 1/10th the donors is oligarchy. But there I go trying to harken back to the time when our election law was based on one that was a bipartisan bill approved by congress called McCain-Feingold... not one rammed through the supreme court by activist judges overturning a hundred years of precedent to declare a corporation a person and its money speach.

Btw the last election was the mid term election and it was won by big money plain and simple. I heard the same commerical about being nancy pelosi's best friend hundreds of times in multiple states with 10 different representatives names filled in, and people fell for it and the candidates that were bought did what they were paid to do... get into office and protect the status quo by ensuring nothing at all made it through the house for the last year and half.

I am bored and tired of hearing easily debunkable talking points spit out off the type writers of both sides each evening and then presented by the media as news or at least one side of the story, and then further parroted out on every website on the internet as fact.. especially when it is done on sites that have nothing to do with politics, immigration, etc etc, sites like my favorite boating forum. If it comes off as being directed at one party well that might be because karl rove invented it and is frankly better at it. It is the type of crap that is destroying the greatest country in the history of the world by ensuring we dont end up with one single moderate or independant member of either party in the halls of congress, I would rather it not destroy my favorite boating site as well.

60% of the people in the country agree with obamas move here, if making most of the people in the country happy is simply a cheap move to garner votes... isnt that what democracy is all about- our elected leaders doing what we want as a group and not being bought out by special interests to go against us?

Our net Mexican immigration today is zero, and I heard today Obama is taking credit for this because of the bad economy. Not my words, his. As for Karl Rove, maybe he had something to do with Bush getting funded but the democrats popularizing buying elections goes back to Joe Kennedy and problably before him.

Whenever you site Fox, and its people just remember MSNBC people all voice their opinions that some take as fact. CNN are no better and neither is CBS, NBC, and folks @ ABC. News radio is a whole other propaganda machine as are the news papers. Every story has some elements that are on and some that are off.

I resevre the right to debate these issues here, on a lighthearted just sayin tone. If it is going the route of namecalling or badgering a member because of his views I do not wish to play anymore.

Both parties can spar here as well as anywhere else, winner decided Nov 4 2012 and a new game begins.

No, no, Obama should have waited for congress.....

Or debate it a little more, another 10 years, let's not do anything until November.....

The right thing to do was done, now move along, will of the people.

ononewheel wrote: No, no, Obama should have waited for congress..... Or debate it a little more, another 10 years, let's not do anything until November..... The right thing to do was done, now move along, will of the people.

No the will of a guy who wants to get re-elected was done. Right or wrong it was done the wrong way, and some day the shoe will be on the republican foot and you will speak differently. By the way the will of the people was 60+% against Obama care when that little offense against the constitution was done and we were told elections have consequences.

Dave your logic now officially goes nowhere.   

By your logic nobody would pay taxes, all people including your self would choose to work a construction job or a meat packer job under the table.

Unless of course it is your theory that Latinos themselves are lazy and inferior and don't like to work

Which not only would be ignorant and stupid it not take into account the fact that people in general who immigrate from their country are usually more ambitious than those that would stay behind

None of this has anything to do with free healthcare which we don't have in this country or even welfare which depending on which state you're in you may or may not get whether your illegal or not it is really nothing that anybody's going to move from Mexico Puerto Rico or anyplace else to live on

The rest is economics which I can't teach over the Internet

Dave,

If you have no problem other than the "tendency" for lawlessness of Hispanic, err Mexican people, I gotta tell you that just isn't true.

Really man, it just isn't. Someone from Mexico has no more of a violent nature than a Swede.

If you really have this as your objection to Latinos and Obamas decision, you needn't worry, this does not include the felons and law breakers.

Hansel wrote: Sadly just more of what I've come to expect from the "small government" Republicans that "run" this state.

I know, ain't it great! You will thank the them 10 years from now when Wisconsin has the resources to do the IMPORTANT things that need to be done in the state.

Not building some silly-assed high speed rail system between Milwaukee and Madison, or some crazy trolley that runs in a circle in downtown Milwaukee

ononewheel wrote: Dave, this does not include the felons and law breakers.

Seth, sorry but every person that is here illegally is a law breaker, and I have never heard of a cartel giving someone a swedish necktie.

JoeinNY wrote: So your assessment is that "they" have inferior morals and a tendency towards lawlessness because rather than watch their children starve they do something about it and defy a law that has no real relation to American values or Judeo Christian principles.   Curse their desire to provide a better life for their kids than they had I didn't know how the average American could relate to that. You get farther towards crazytown when you assume they do the jobs they do because they are somehow genetically predisposed to them rather than because they are the only ones open to them. These are people no different than you... Except perhaps in the luck of their birthplace.

and the solution to this is forgive them and make what they do legal?
and if they are no different than me, I can do the same?

Ok, I'm glad we are clear on this

I agree Joe. Fix the broken system, change the ineffective laws. To do it right may take some time, but now that we have finished the important work of prosecuting baseball players for fibbing maybe we can get to that.

davidg wrote: Hansel wrote: Sadly just more of what I've come to expect from the "small government" Republicans that "run" this state. I know, ain't it great! You will thank the them 10 years from now when Wisconsin has the resources to do the IMPORTANT things that need to be done in the state. Not building some silly-assed high speed rail system between Milwaukee and Madison, or some crazy trolley that runs in a circle in downtown Milwaukee

I'd love to thank him right now for crawling back to the Feds, getting denied, and then having to pay for train upgrades on his own.

Wasn't it Pete who was just whining about poor train service just a few days ago? Yet I suppose neither he nor you actually want to pay for it. I guess spending extra money on a hose is a great investment, but spending money on societal infrastructure, well, that is liberal crazy talk!

Like Joe I never cease to be amazed at the amount of cognitive dissonance on display in these political threads. Just yesterday Dave even used the fact that the rich are getting richer at his expense in an argument against people of even less means. I don't even know what to make of these lines of argument sometimes. At least be consistent, or maybe that is what is going on. Arguments are consistently in "my" favor and against "them" no matter what philosophy or "evidence" I have to use to support my end goal.

how about 536 people, Obama is not real high on popularity either.