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Seth, Outsourcing is hiring another company that can do something more cost effectively than you can to do in house. Often times in a foreign country that has expertise in that function or is simply more cost effective due to lower labor costs, taxes and regulations. Off shoring is when the business says "i am paying high labor, high taxes, and putting up with high regulation and now you want to tax me for carbon use? Screw it I am moving the whole factory to Indonesia."

Wrong is wrong Seth, we should not encourage wrong with our laws and policies.

eric lavine wrote: I can really see the philosophy now, moreso than 6 months ago on why we use outside help (non americans) they have a piece of carrot hanging in front of the cart, from a standpoint of profitability...well i dont want to be anti American here...we got a little fat and lazy over the years

Wow Eric, that is a major change. Are you saying it is Ok to buy a Toyota and Nikes now?

OverMyHead wrote: Seth, Outsourcing is hiring another company that can do something more cost effectively than you can to do in house. Often times in a foreign country that has expertise in that function or is simply more cost effective due to lower labor costs, taxes and regulations. Off shoring is when the business says "i am paying high labor, high taxes, and putting up with high regulation and now you want to tax me for carbon use? Screw it I am moving the whole factory to Indonesia." Wrong is wrong Seth, we should not encourage wrong with our laws and policies.

I knew that, I was playing off of Romneys latest gaffe. It doesn't really matter if my job was outsourced or off shored, it would be gone, out of a job. Hey I wouldn't pay taxes then, or have money to support the economy that outsourced and off shored me.

What then happens if you outsource offshore, like Bain capitol? To be fair, democrats are guilty of this too. I think we are seeing the result of moving the company overseas, right now in this country, and that crap started long before Obamas "regulation and taxes".

Wrong is wrong you are right about that, doing what every human would do to support a family, moving where they can do that, is still wrong but understandable and deserves a little humanity.

And didn't Joe establish we are doing something about the border and immigration? Better enforcement and more deportation is evidenced by that alone. God dammm fence around the whole country and 10 brigades won't stop those that want to get across it. Wonder why there isn't already a fence around every country already, cause it is not a solution.

Making those here legal and contributing citizens is the goal anyway? If they are legal and pay income tax, think they will work for $5 or ten an hour anymore?

Your example of the boat didn't really work. How about this;

Your neighbors, a couple and one child.
While you are on vacation, dad builds a fence 1 foot on your property because it turns out your and everyone's   cable running on the property line.
Now the issue is headed to court.
Next day child falls on bike and hurt badly in front of your house on the sidewalk.
Do you render aid or pick him up and throw him back in his yard, because after all his dad is a law breaker?

How about if he comes over and admires your boat, he is 8 and it is the coolest thing he has ever seen. Can't stop talking about it, and it sort of makes you feel good he thinks a 20 year old boat is cooler than lawbreaker dad's aluminum boat. Do take him for a ride, or wait until the court case is solved? (that is a little tough, considering his age, but you should see the point)

Come on Dave, did you tell your parents where and when they were moving?

I'll be the first to agree there is some reform needed, but doing anything is not getting things done. Are you going to send the 25 year old home because he was brought here at 3? Here you go back to Mexico, sheeesh, he might not even know the language. That is harsh.

john b wrote: TIt is not surprising that it has been upheld, after all, Obama has a Harvard law degree, and was a professor of constitutional law at the University of Chicago. Constitutional law is his field.

And yet all of the presidents arguments for Obamacare failed. It was upheld on a gift technicality from Roberts who declared it a tax, which Obama has repeatedly denied. Obama pledged not to raise taxes on the middle class. If not repealed this will turn out to be the biggest tax increase on the middle class in American history. Yes he is brilliant.

In the words of Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, after his victory at pearl harbor "I am afraid we have awakened a sleeping giant."

The 70% of Americans surveyed last week who felt it should be repealed.

john b wrote:    Maybe we can move toward a system like Canada and France where insurance is part of citizenship, and companies are not burdened by providing it.

Becoming like Canada and France!?!?!?! Oh my god, let's hope not. I want to keep my freedoms and not pay 75% (or whatever they pay in Europe) of my income to the government to take care of me from cradle to grave.....just like good old Canada and France have.

The sleeping giant Dave refers to is us. The American people don't like this law, and all we can hope now is that the electorate will take care of things in November. Let's hope for a repeat of November 2010.

I think Chief Justice Roberts did what he did to keep the court from looking too political. So, yes, it was a big gift to Obama. One that needs to repealed ASAP. We just can't afford all these goodies the govt is "giving" us.   

Seeing that Roberts was the vote that tipped it to OBamma, nothing can be predicted any longer. I can't believe he was the swing vote. Hope he's not turning into Souter!

john b wrote: OverMyHead wrote: The 70% of Americans surveyed last week who felt it should be repealed. Was that a survey of insurance executives? Link me to this survey. It's easy to throw numbers around, but 70% of the time, 52% of the 91% responding are doubtful of your statistics.

Here is one of them John,




Gallup Poll Says 72% of Americans Believe Obamacare Unconstitutional; Dems Say Those People are Stupid

By marfdrat on February 27, 2012

Happy to be your 100% accurate source when you need to get your facts strait.

OverMyHead wrote: john b wrote: OverMyHead wrote: The 70% of Americans surveyed last week who felt it should be repealed. Was that a survey of insurance executives? Link me to this survey. It's easy to throw numbers around, but 70% of the time, 52% of the 91% responding are doubtful of your statistics. Get your facts straight! Believing it to be unconstitutional and wanting it repealed are two very different things. Here is one of them John, Gallup Poll Says 72% of Americans Believe Obamacare Unconstitutional; Dems Say Those People are Stupid By marfdrat on February 27, 2012 Happy to be your 100% accurate source when you need to get your facts strait.

hidden message Dave, good thing Eli invented the cotton gin. there taking jobs that we dont want to do........really, if we didnt have beaners, a can of corn would be 8 bucks, necessary evil?

JoeinNY wrote: 94% of self-professed republicans are morons or ignorant of the basic laws of their country, while the majority of self-professed democrats are well-educated geniuses.

I think I know who one of those 94% (not a republican) ignorant ones who don't know the basic laws of the country is. Obama is supposedly a constitutional law expert (Harvard!!!) He, on numerous occasions swore up and down the Obamacare was not a tax, yet it passed constitutional muster by being a tax.   

And eight out of nine Supreme Court Justices also did not view it as a tax!
Obama drafted to, (with a little help from Mittens model), passed it, and implemented it. It was upheld by the Supreme Court. It looks like he is very wise in constitutional matters. You forgot to mention his professorship at the University of Chicago teaching constitutional law.

Whenever conservatives complain about ACA, the liberal response is Don't you think preexisting conditions could be covered, and isnt it good that kids up to 26 can be covered by their parents? OK, thats, two paragraphs. Its the other 2,699 and 1/2 pages that scare me. Even Nancy Pelosi said (with a straight face, if you can believe that) that we have to pass it to see what's in it. Sometimes the audacity is beyond belief. They rammed that thing through so fast that NO-ONE!!!! read it. Unbelievable!!!

How many pages will it be before conservatives and progressives come together on this issue?



In other news, how many are going to fall lock step with mit, because of his pledge to repeal ACA? He CANNOT, we he can pledge, but even if he is president someday, there are so many reasons he CANNOT repeal the law. He needs to sit in with Obama to take some lessons on law.

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