Obamas Gun Controle Proposal?

john b wrote: I really don't care either way about gun control.

don't kid yourself. you're clearly against the 2nd amendment, but a proud proponent of the 1st. that's cool

peter1234 wrote: Boy for somebody who doesnt care either way you sure seem to care

Really? Then You didn't read my post. I think you should own whatever you want as long as it is legal, but as far as home protection, statistics show it is a liability, not an asset.

so your statement above was that more family members are killed by guns in the home than intruders or more family members are killed when mistaken for intruders   than real intruders .. because if its the first part then that really doesnt fit the issue you were responding to does it?

peter1234 wrote: so your statement above was that more family members are killed by guns in the home than intruders or more family members are killed when mistaken for intruders   than real intruders .. because if its the first part then that really doesnt fit the issue you were responding to does it?

Can you be more clear on the point, Peter. What issue doesn't something fit?

"For each of the few cases of someone successfully killing an intruder there are many more cases of someone accidentally killing a family member."
I think john that it might have been my interpretation and maybe for others as well that you were saying that more people are mistakenly killed as an intruder than actual intruders.

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Nautiquehunter wrote: How do you explain this? The last paragraph says it all . This happened to me the entire altercation was brought to an end at the mere sight of the gun tucked in my buddy's belt standing behind me. Never drawn ,never pointed ,never shot.

FYI - One of the very first rules any responsible gun owner is taught in CCW permit class is you don't show or brandish your weapon unless you intend to fire at your target. Simply showing that you have a gun is grounds for legal action against you.
If you shoot someone whether it injures or kills them, you damn sure better be able to prove you were in imminent threat of serious bodily harm or death. It should be an absolute LAST RESORT.

Those first few don't look very fuel efficient. Just think about what they are doing to the ozone layer....Those things should be outlawed.

bhectus wrote: Those first few don't look very fuel efficient. Just think about what they are doing to the ozone layer....Those things should be outlawed.

They have tried several times, but we have been able to keep them for now. We will see what the future holds. There have been numerous laws proposed that would prohibit individuals from owning them, but they are a big hit for parades and are requested to participate in many local, city, and state events. These photos are from the dedication of the Veteran's Memorial Tollway in Illinois and were requested by the state and the Illinois Department of Transportation. They are subject to inspection by BATF at any time.
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Perhaps we should be looking at other angles to protect our children as well. I mean, what about child exploitation/child REMOVEography? I don't have the figures but would have ro be quite certain those figures are way higher than children killed by firearms. And half of the instances probably go unreported.

So, for all of you photographers out there I ask you this:

What if you had to have a background check to purchase a camera? Most all photographers all legit and would never victimize an innoccent child, but non the less cameras have been used in many thousands of these cases so we must do more to keep our kids safe. So from now on, you must have a NICS check done to buy a camera( even private sale from from your brother ). You must have a permit to leave your house with it and it will be banned from all camera free zones ( ie shools, malls etc) . Also , you must make available your computer and any and all memory cards etc for any law enforcement official who requests it upon a moments notice. Your camera must be locked up when not in use. You may no longer have a memory card that holds more than seven pictures, to decrease the chance of multiple child REMOVEography pictures being released. You will have to register for a permit to buy any camera accessories and there will be a tax levied on all camera parts purchases. All of these fees will be used to help offset the prosecution of child REMOVE offenders. Oh, and as of now you may no longer buy cameras, computers or any memory cards over the internet. Must be a face to face transaction where you fill out the proper paperwork and provide your ID and camera owners card. At what cost should law abiding citizens be able to take legit pictures when thousands of children are exploited Every day.

For all of you laughing thinking that the above is a stretch you are probably right. Sounds ridiculous really.

It's the same damn thing going on with guns......argue it all you want, say guns and cameras aren't the same ( I agree) but you'd be missing the point. This whole thing about punishing law abiding citizens due to the act of criminals is such feel good BS that it's shameful. I never once have sat on the couch watching the news and after a report about child REMOVEography/ sex offenders/ etc. thought to myself...Geez, we really need to do something about these cameras and computers.

I also fail to see how anyone else could be so obtuse.

Mike

Great post Mike. I totally agree.

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Excellent point Kristof. The cell phone is a great tool in the proper hands.I believe texting & driving is now the number 1 killer of our teenagers, yet it is illegal.

Peter, Lanza did indeed use an AR 15.There are alot of weird things surrounding that day and its pretty easy to get wrapped up in it but it seems as though they are just odd coincidences. The memorial page for the victims was set up the day before the shooting....most likely a server error or some crazy time zone thing. Odd though.

Mike

Cigarettes have been known to kill people for years. Are they banned? No, just taxed.

Alchahol has been known to kill people for years.Has it been banned? once. and when the government ralized it would be used without gaining any taxes the repealed the ban and taxed it. Still knowing it kills people.

Abortions techniacally kill people yet are they banned? No


The government pretends to know what is best for us but also need to listen to the people that vote for them.

If your rights get taken a way please remember that on election day. They disclose who votes for what. pay attention and remove the people working against you.

"Peter, Lanza did indeed use an AR 15.There are alot of weird things surrounding that day and its pretty easy to get wrapped up in it but it seems as though they are just odd coincidences. The memorial page for the victims was set up the day before the shooting....most likely a server error or some crazy time zone thing. Odd though."
ok please show me. the last thing i read the other day was a conn state police briefing that said he had a shotgun in the car. two handguns and an a/r variant were siezed. it sort of says he used it but i cant understand why they wont just say it instead of being vague about that one gun. I have never seen a crime like this with so much left unsaid

No, Lanza did not use an AR15. He used a Bushmaster and they do not make an AR15.In an official report you would not say that someone used a weapon that does not exist. I suggest he used a Bushmaster XM15. reporting he used a Bushmaster AR15 would be like saying Lanza arrived in a Ford Cruze, or a Lexus Accord.
Give it a rest, they were killed by a madman with a gun, what's the difference which one?