transmission repair

notice I never say THE dude just dude as in spacolli, fast times at ridgemont high.


Eric thanks again for responding on the other post... we do appreciate it and hope you continue to offer you insite and vast wealth on knowledge.

Hi Eric



Glad you straightened out that Albania thing.



I don't think I'd want to deal with an Albanian outfit. Seems like shipping costs would be kinda high



Hell, I don't even know where Albania is! I'd rather deal with a shop in Medina, Ohio.

Eric, I have a rebuild in the future for my trans so I went yo your web site. I could find no prices for parts and no "howto" sections. Not much there for the "do-it-yourselfer".

I think I see why you are reluctant to buy an ad that leads to your site - it won't lead to any sales. I think your market is different then the one you will find on this site.

Hang around though, I am going to need some advice. (Thank goodness it's free or I wouldn't buy any.)

Eric. My point-of-view is that folks on this site will do one of two things when they have a trans problem: they will either pull the trans themselves or they will tow the boat to their most trusted mechanic.

If they are capable of pulling the trans themselves and they are willing to re-align their own engine when re-installing, they will probably take joy in rebuiding their own trans - for better or worse. (I fall into that group.) If they tow their boat to a mechanic, it would be foolish to tell the mechanic where to send the trans for rebuilding because if you did you would relieve the mechanic of warranty issues.

So, I think everyone here is correct in that most folks here, including me, will enjoy your contributions to the site but if you give the appearance you are here to try to sell you will turn everyone off. I don't presume to know your business better than you do but I suspect your market is the marine maintenace industry. Folks from the marine maintenace industry do post on this site (Woody for exanmple) but they make no obvious attempts to garner business - that attitude is very much appreciated and the folks here respond well to it.

Now me, I like to have a good source for howto tips and a reliable source for parts. (And I usually try to buy my parts from someone I feel is technically savy and knows the product.)

I appreciate that you may be able to "save people money" but no one belives that and besides, we have already blown loads on the boats to begin with and now we're paying $40.00 to $60.00 just to fill the tanks (and I can burn 3 tanks in one day). If people here were really interested in saving money they'd sell their boats.

Actually, I think 79 was trying to help you by hitting your head with a 2x4. Keep any eye on him though, if you reach out for that olive branch he might chop your arm off with the axe he is holding in his other hand.     

(Added note to Eric: If you just stop trying to sell you may start selling. But I doubt it.)

Oh yeh, I have found your discussion on various materials for clutch plates and various thickness of lock rings and shims very interesting and enlightening. Could you elaborate? What are our choices when it comes to clutch plate materials. Where does one buy clutch parts for "heavy duty" applications?

we did go over weeks ago clutch plate material.

look at it as a website for a source of information. it is an avenue or a option if you are having a problem rebuilding your transmission or someone else is rebuilding it and when you put it in it doesnt work.
i never once said how good i was but i did state facts on my abilities regarding transmissions and as for pricing on parts dont even go there. I do alot of business with cc dealers and ccf paying advertisers and feel it would be in conflict. i never once mentioned trans rebuild pricing. and if i did sell trans parts i could save you half. well maybe not you

priceless jimbo

eric, I say put your website link back on your signature line. I don't think it makes much business sense to buy advertising space here. I agree that most of us would rather do the work ourselves and the rest have someone they work with. But keep contributing!
There are people that come to this site that are incapable of diving into a tranny rebuild and don't have a mechanic. And they might live in OH. But even bigger than that...
Most people in business know the best advertising is from refferals!
If the guy across the lake thinks he needs a new transmission and he's not the type to pick up a book and learn and not the sort of guy I'd want to spend two weeks with doing it for him...
...or the guy from OH on the fishing fourm I visit whose 27 footer just lost reverse and is whinning about not being able to fish his tournament in three days...I'd refer them to eric...

Jimbo, you are 110% correct. there alot of guys that come to this site that could'nt even tell you where thier transmission was, believe me, I recieve 1 or 2 calls a day from this site with basic questions, to me and you it may be a dumb question,but to the guy asking it, it really is a legitimate question and he really doesnt know. BUT i also realize that there our guys on this site that do thier own repairs and most of them are the ones that were giving me a hard time and probably felt insulted and with time they started to realize where i was coming from, maybe i came accross with some arrogance. 75% of my business is refferal and alot of it comes from the people who ask the dumb but legitimate questions. and most of the time they are the ones that are taken advantage of monatarily by thier local repair shop it happens everyday to the average NON do it yourself boater. I believe this site was set up for enthusiasts and for people seeking information and if you notice it is a lot of newbies asking questions and seniors replying.
I truly approached this site to offer information and if i sell a tranny i sell a tranny, if i dont i dont.

Hey Eric
way to hang in there..I like the fact your willing to give the advice,and have time to do so.. infact I have one for you..I just bought a 2000 modal year sn with the 1:23 tranny .. the first thing I noticed with this boat over my 87 2001 with the 1:1 tranny was the noise level (very high) on the new boat..then when I opened the engine lid and saw the transmission had (89sn) writen on it I a$$ummed someone changed the unite...so my question is did bw use straight cut planetary gears on the early 1:23 tranny then switch to angle cut gears one or two years into production...I've herd that c.c had complants with the noise level in the 89-90 production models...

hope you can help??? I don't want to pull my tranny apart to see the cut on the gears.. this boat will be for sale and I'll keep my 87 before I listen to that noice every time I'am out in it...

hey "78" I respect the time and advice you've offerd in the past aswell and maybe some where in all that rant you have a point but you need to get laid man life is too short..

thanks for the entertainment to everyone who has posted in this one WOW

All of the 1.23 trannies have a fairly loud whine to them- its certainly very different from your old 1:1. You are correct that there was an issue with the early (89-90) units, though I cant recall what the problem was exactly. I do know that the fix was made to my boat before I bought it. My uncle had a '90 that required the same fix.

I'am going to look closer at this tranny to see if there any other signs of tampering.. I bought it from my local dealer and there good guys so I do'nt think they would screw me.. if your sitting behind the engine you can'nt talk comfortable with the person beside you.. you have to yell..if your infront of the engine it's bad only till you get up to cruzing speed...then you talk loud.

the 89sn on the tranny has me thinking..this is a 2000 196 sn..

when you changed this plantary for the dealer, did you change the ring gear and planet?..why I ask is maybe there are two cuts..different part numbers? early/late style.

I wish I new of some one that has the same year boat to compare with..

when you say torsionals I a$$ume your talking of the springs in the damper plate?..

this noise reminds me of the th400 transmission that came in some heavyduty trucks..these th400s had straight cut gears..
but you say there all helical cut..so thats that..

this boat only has 165 hours on it. if its the original transmission the plantary must be allright..

guess I'll just turn the stereo up for now..

anyone else think there 6 year old boat is too loud????????

thanks guy/gals if any

thanks eric

there's no noice in neutral..this week-end I paid closer attention to the rpm that is the loudist and 2200-2800 seems to be the loudist..I'll check the things you suggested and go from there..I think going in the same modle and year would answer all..I my just be use to my 1987...with the exception of the exhaust on that boat was not bad for sound..I'll keep you up to date if anything comes of it.

thanks for your time
cheers