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8122pbrainard
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I agree with Chris. You will love the ARE system plus, keep in mind:
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baitkiller
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^ this
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SNobsessed
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I think you can sell the old shaft for $100. Put in the ARE, you will be happy with that decision next year when you take it apart again.
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shagit
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So I ordered an ARE shaft (they are actually supposed to be making me one 1/2" shorter next week), then I find out that the local machine shop was able to straighten my old one after all. I have a video of the shaft in the lathe with a dial gauge and it is damn straight. SO, now I have a dilemma... Do I call and try to to cancel the ARE? or keep that one coming and try to sell this shaft. I spent $100 and they even shortened it by the 1/2", cut the coupler end keyway 1/2" longer, and a new spot for the set screw.
Next year I plan on removing the engine to dress it up. |
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8122pbrainard
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This would be the spot that would be the most difficult to get straight. It's a common spot to bend the shaft from a prop hit especially if the prop is extended beyond the normal distance behind the strut. The norm is 1 shaft diameter but lately Tim has been saying to cut that distance at least in half. I happen to agree since from a mechanical engineering standpoint, the shorter the distance the less overhung load on the shaft and the cutlass you will have. Hull clearance from the prop OD to the hull must be a consideration. I have a feeling that CC cheated on some hulls!! Art?? |
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shagit
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it's on the prop end, apparently near the start of the taper.
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8122pbrainard
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Where was the shaft bent and did they say why they couldn't straighten it? Although I have had mixed results, (a bent shaft likes to go back to the bent position) I have never heard of shaft that could not be straightened. |
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shagit
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Yeah I guess it's a long shot..... oh well.
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TX Foilhead
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You want a custom length shaft that someone has in stock, ........ mmmm.....K
Might notable as long as you think, probably drop shipped from ARE. |
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shagit
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Anybody know somewhere in central fla that stocks the ARE and around the same price? Was hoping to put a shaft in next week....
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shagit
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So it doesn't look like they can straighten the shaft after all, the shop called today and said they can't get it past ten thousanths.....
Soooo, guess I'm going to order an ARE.... :/ So much for my optimism..... Lol |
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art cozier shop maybe?
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<a href="">1992 ski nautique
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shagit
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Lol! True I have found a machine shop here in Orlando that straightens shafts! Actually turns out they have done a little work for Correct Craft before after talking with them. They said they can true it to the needed tolerance (less than .003) shorten it the half inch (including adding 1/2" to the keyway) and do it under $100. I will update when I get it back, should be early next week. Sackett machine on Old wintergarden road. |
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Another cost justification for the ARE shaft is avoidance of the trip to the ER, when you get 3rd degree burns on your forearm.
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I think all you need is the socket, it's thin and designed to fit between the couplings. They make some other things that make pulling the shaft and changing the strut bushings quick and painless, but I don't think you need them to put the shaft in. SKIDIM has the whole set up and a video of what to do on their site.
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I'm not 100% sure but I think you need to buy the tool that you use to seperate the shaft from the coupler |
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I did 20 min in the oven at 400 with a solo cup full of ice water on the shaft, I believe those are the standards posted around here somewhere. Also remember I had no Vdrive or motor in my way. Coupler was on a cookie sheet, saw horses set so I could set it down, jump in the boat, pull off the cup and grab the coupler. Buzzer went off, welding gloves on and I made it to the door before I burnt my hands. Now the coupling is on the porch 50 yards from the boat and I'm looking for oven mits. Found them, set the coupling on top of them a ran to the boat. It slipped right on, mybe 1/8 in short and that's it you do t get 2 tries. Good enough for me, the shaft was pulled out a little further before from a rope catch so I know the prop clears. Only thing I missed was being able to tighten the set bolt, had to drill another spot.
If you figure you're going to have to make 2 attempts and that $100 isn't much. Once it touches the shaft the heat starts to transfer and the shaft expands every locks up, that's going to be difficult to get it lined up and slid on with the Vdrive in the way. I think I got a little lucky because we do this at work every now and then, I was familiar with the process before I tried it. |
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The ARE just bolts right up with nothing more to buy, correct? And I guess I can get an exact length then as well...
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Hotter and longer...
But the ARE is probably worth the 100 clams once one factors in time, hassle and just old worn out parts. |
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shagit
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I do try to be optimistic ..... So I just need to bake (the collar ;) in the oven a bit.... Like 200-300 degrees? For 10 min or so? Then quickly get it out to the awaiting shaft - and voila !
Excellent! Are there any disadvantages with the ARE shaft? Other than being $100 more? And it comes with everything I need? I ask too many questions don't I ...... |
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I'm good. I think I drank about a pallet or so doing the rehab, didn't speed the process any and now I probably need to go rehab myself.
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Can I buy you a beer?>
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Been there, done that and it's not like a DD.
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Foilhead, always the optimist.. |
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So if I order am ARE shaft, I can order it 1/2" shorter ? And sorry for the question, but who are Billy and Karen?
I also noted that before I loosened/removed my existing shaft, the coupler was flush all the way around - with the mount on the vdrive... Hoping things will be pretty easy to line up/adjust... Thank you! |
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Unless you know the EXACT dimention of the new shaft (shafting has diameter tollerances) and your coupling, don't use your old coupling. Remember it's an interference fit of .000" to -.0005". The easier way is to go with the ARE double taper shaft system. Then, you won't even need to heat shrink the coupling on. Billy and Karen distribute them. 318 386 2825 |
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8122pbrainard
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Not true. With the coupling heated, it will be expanded and should slid on the shaft as long as you have things like the key prepped. |
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shagit
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So I guess I'm going to get a new shaft. Should I get the one from nautique parts? Or the one from skidim?
I know NP is a site sponsor, and it appears to be about $100 cheaper.... |
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