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Hollywood
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You think I would risk breaking a nail working on an I/O?
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David F
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Yep, that will work. Or, you can leave the plugs out of the exhaust manifolds and if anti-freeze runs out the manifolds, you know you have a problem.
Sorry about the I/O thing, I just immediately a$$umed I/O when I read Mercruser. My bad |
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79nautique
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you realy should remove the t-stat first that way you can make sure it's full and give it a few minute incase there is a small air bubble working it's way to the top.
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Hollywood
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It's not an I/O, but in a Sanger. Thanks again. I guess you can take off the hoses to the manifolds and plug them to know for sure if you're going into the block.
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David F
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Can't leave the knock sensor in if it doubles as a drain plug...well at least not while draining out the water.
T-stat will stay open long enough to give you time to fill the block up. I am really not familiar with IO boats at all, so things will be a bit different. |
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Hollywood
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Thanks for the quick reply. I've never had to deal with knock sensors. I did a quick search and saw an article that said it was on a head. I will leave them in if he's got 'em.
Yes it's fuel injected. How can you be sure that the t-stat stays open while you're pouring antifreeze? I suppose you can look in the exhaust but that's not very accurate. Not even sure if there's enough head pressure in the hose pouring by hand to get through the manifolds if it was closed. You'd probably fill up right away no? |
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David F
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Usually the knock sensors are placed in the block drain hole on one side or the other. However, not sure about the Merc. It is not necessary to remove the knock sensor to fog, but you should fog after you filled the tank with fuel stabilizer. This way, the stabilized fuel makes its way to the carb/injectors as you are warming the engine while fogging and opening up the t-stat. (with injected engines, the fuel gets to the injectors very quickly due to the return line and the excess fuel being pumped).
When engine warm and fogged, shut it down for good. Remove the block drains, U-pipe drain (if Merc has one) and exchanger drain (or remove bottom hose to exchanger), and exhaust manifold drains. Reinstall the block drains and fill the block with antifreeze via the RWP outlet hose turned up high. Sorry for re-hashing and being long winded, but to answer your question directly, no harm in running (no load) with the knock sensor disconnected (might get a fault code posted if fuel injected). A sensor in the head might be the temperature switch or sensor. |
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Hollywood
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David F, I will be helping a buddy winterize his '98 Mercruiser, which probably has a knock sensor but not sure. Should this be removed before the fogging begins? I am guessing just unscrew it from the head and leave it dangle. Will unplugging it cause problems?
Also, will the exchanger do a good enough job draining itself of the water by just taking off the hoses? I think I will run a little antifreeze through to be sure. |
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emccallum
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David....that is almost the exact same method i have come to use over the years!...I take off the thermostat housing, and pour the antifreeze directly into the engine and down the hoses to the manifolds. I replace the thermostat every two years or so, and always put antiseize on the housing bolts. Places around here are charging b/n 200 and 300 to winterize! That is almost the cost of a new prop every year!
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2fat2ski
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yeah, it's me. Wife's cooking this summer got the best of me. I make a better driver than skier right now!
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eric lavine
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dan, is that you??? i didnt think you were tht fat...... eric
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2fat2ski
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Don't forget the shower and heater too! If you have that equipment, you'll need to run antifreeze thru them too. Every spring, I replace at least a couple heater cores from winter bursting. Remove both hoses from the engine, put 1 in the bilge and blow air into the other. This will get any water out of the heater core. Reattach them and run your antifreeze thru the system. If your filling manually, I put a funnel in 1 hose and pour antifreeze until it comes out of the other. Then I reattach the hoses. For the shower, I open the hot and cold valves, turn on the pump and wait for a/f to come out. This protects the pump, impeller and all of the lines. Hope this helps. Dan
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David F
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Oh yes, the sea strainer. Do not forget to empty the water from the strainer bowl.
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eric lavine
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nope, the cooler is the first thing usually after the sea strainer, if you are running the antifreeze in by running the engine it will catch the cooler too. alot of times there will be a 1/8 npt fitting on it to drain it. if you are pouring thru the hoses you can pop the fitting if you would like and get the water out of it
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Nautique Mike
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Guys-
Ome more thing... Do I need to drain the water cooled area of the transmision and add antifreeze? I have not seen any note of it in any of the readings. Thanks NM |
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Nautique Mike
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Guys-
Just figured out that if you have a PSS shaft seal you should remove and cap the cooling hose. This keeps the anti-freeze from sneeking out the shaft seal. I also thought it wouldn't hurt to loosen the tention off the rubber seal while in storage. Thanks for the advice. NM |
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63 Skier
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David F. has got it right, in my opinion. Don't skip fogging and just spray in the spark plug holes, its not the same, be sure to fog the engine while running.
I really believe in using stabilizer whether you run it dry or not, or leave the tank full or not. There will be some gas left somewhere in the system that you want to keep fresh, and it costs maybe 50 cents to stabilize a tank of fuel so why not just do it. Lots of people don't bother to remove the pump impeller, that's a mistake, pull the impeller unless you plan to replace it every year or two. Just my 2 cents. |
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eric lavine
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pulling the hoses is a real knuckle buster, but yep you can do it that way too
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eric lavine
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david, beautifully put, short and sweet
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David F
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For anyone with fuel injected engines. Fuel stabilizer is not really that important. Why you ask? The fuel is in a closed system all the way to the tip of the injectors. Conseqeuntly, the fuel cannot evaporate and leave the varnish behind as it does in carbs. However, the stabilizer will help keep the fuel a bit fresher for the first spring run.
I simply warm and fog the engine, drain the block, manifolds, heat exchanger, and "U" pipe. Reinstall block drain plugs and Anti-knock sensor. Remove the upper hose from the RWP and elevate over the thermostat. Then, I pour in RV anti-freeze until the engine will take no more. Remove RWP and put impellar on shelf. Loosen alternator belt. Done. |
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eric lavine
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tr, your making this difficult, it is a dilema. i guess it depends on what method you use putting the antifreeze in the engine. its easy on merc stuff, i run the drive in a horse feeding tank filled with antifreeze then spray in the fogger until it kills the engine.with the inboards its tuff
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Mojoman
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Why wouldnt he be able to fog the motor (without pulling the plugs) and fill the block with antifreeze? [/QUOTE] Yep, Fog the intake first Drain the block and trans cooler Fill with antifreeze Fog plugs Moj' |
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TRBenj
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Why wouldnt he be able to fog the motor (without pulling the plugs) and fill the block with antifreeze? |
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77stang
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thats the type of response i was looking for. thanks eric |
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eric lavine
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what came first the chicken or the egg, i think you'll have to pull the plugs and squirt it in when your all done
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77stang
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ok, this year i want to go the antifreeze route. but i cant fiqure out a way to do fogging and antifreeze. doesnt seem that i could get both done.
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eric lavine
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its going to be hard to run the carb out of gas since you have to fog the engine and antifreeze it, you better find some 100 below antifreeze, i use quick silver with corrossion additives, ask your marine supply store or you can use rv antifreeze. i guess when your all done use a stabilizer and then pump the carb dry with the shiftlever all the gas will go down the intake while your pumping the carb throw in some fogger or pull the plugs and spray it in . if your using automotive antifreeze read the directions on the mix for the best results for your temp range. alot of service manuals tell you to just drain the engine and your done. the antifreeze is really there for corrossion protection so be sure you use antifreeze with these additives or it is pointless of putting it in.
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Nautique Mike
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Hey Gang-
Thanks for the replys and tips. I would like to take the gas tank out this winter to work on the boat. Which would be a better way to store the motor? I have a gas shut off just before the fuel filter. A: Run the motor with stabilizer in it and then shut the valve (leaving some in the motor)? Or..... B: Shut valve and run dry w/o stabiizer. I am a little unsure which anti freeze method will work the best. It gets wicked cold here sometimes -40f for days and I'm storing it in a barn w/o heat. My neighbor just fills his system w/ anti freeze but he has an insulated garage. I'm thinking I should go the full route with the 60/40 mix w/ water. Or somthing better? Also- some places I've read mention spraying down the exterior of the motor with silicone lubricant to keep rust @ bay. Thoughts? Thanks- NM |
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eric lavine
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also, if you can find desacant pebbles for air compressors, put a coffee can full (in the can)put on a piece of card board so you wont get a rustline on your carpet, use in the boat to soak up condensation, it eliminates mold on the interior.
I always fill my trans to the very top with oil to eliminate condensation build up and a rust line in the trans, simply drain it in the spring and re fill with fresh |
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Atmspltr
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Gas tank full minimizes how much air can get into the tank which will limit the condensation/water from being in your fuel. Full tank w/ stabiilzer is better. Make sure your run the boat with the fuel stabilizer to get it into the carb/injectors. Better yet, if you have a fuel shutoff, run it dry to prevent gumming up of the fuel pump screen and carb/injectors. Don't forget to stuff some rags in your transom exhaust ports to prevent the rodents from making a cozy nest in your exhaust lines. If you can jack the trailer and place it on blocks it will prevent flat spots on your tires next spring.
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