Fuel Pump Fludding Carb

Wait, so you have an electric fuel pump in there? Most of us have mechanical fuel pumps, which don't pump any fuel EDIT: when the motor is not running.

First off, you gotta back up and look at when the problem actually started....when you changed the starter!!!!!! Are you sure that you got the right rotation starter? I seem to remember a recent post about V-drive engine rotation and there was a lot of debate about when/where CC went from RH to LH rotation on the V-drives. I think the only way to positively confirm rotation was by the serial number of the engine. If you put the wrong rotation starter in there, that thing will never start and it's very possible fuel will spit out the carb if you're trying to turn it the wrong way! Where did you get the starer from and how did you determine it's the right one?

Secondly, your description of the fuel issue does make it sound like you have an electronic fuel pump that runs when you just turn the key on and not when you're trying to crank it over. That boat never had an electronic fuel pump so if one is on there, when and where did that happen at in relation to the new starter?

Yes it has an electronic Fuel pump. If i remember correctly it was a RH rotation starter. I got the starter from Auto zone, but it was a marine starter that had matching model numbers. If it was the wrong rotation though, would it even crank at all? The boat came with the elecctronic fuel pump on it. Where would i locate the serial # of the engine?

Still going to need some picture under the hood. 351 or 454?

Still going to need some picture under the hood. 351 or 454?

Wouldnt it also be possible to deterime the rotation of the engine by looking at the serial # on the prop? and/or if it is stamped with a RH or LH?

On the V-Drives, it's a little more complicated than that. Because, the transmission or the V drive unit may or may not change the direction of spin. That's part of what the discussion was about in the other thread.

Yeah, the American Skier was my first love! I completely restored it only to have it smashed by a drunk after only having it out about 6 times after completing restorations. Damn near killed me and three friends, luckely no one was hurt cuz we bailed out before impact. Then i bought this '91 BF with inssuance $$$ for next project. But now life has got in the way of that, so i am looking to sell it. But i want to get it running again before that, so as not to take a hit on a non-running boat.

The prop will be RH. That was the end goal be a RH prop. Brian is correct about the tranny and/or V-Drive changing the rotation. The tranny may change it one way and the V-Drive change it again. That's what the discussion was about. The only way to know for sure is the serial number.
The serial number should be clearly marked on a tab someplace easily seen on the engine. I don't know for sure where that would be though.

Yes, it will crank if it's the wrong rotation starter. It will crank it backwards though. I can't tell you how many times that's been done here by people who didn't know any better.

Electronic fuel pumps can be problematic. Too much pressure would require a pressure regulator. It may or may not need it. Also electronic pumps are designed to have a return line to the fuel tank and be used with EFI which requires a lot more fuel pressure (like 40+lbs. vs. a carb that only needs 5-7lbs.). If this was retrofitted with a electronic pump, was it done coreectly is the biggest concern and then why was it done? It didn't have one to start with so why change it? Although a retrofitted or rebuilt engine could explain that too.

The first thing is finding a serial number on the engine. We can go from there. As many pics as you can get would help too.

I live in north central Indiana, Kokomo Indiana to be exact. I know everyone here wants pics, i will get pics posted. the boat is still in storage at this time though. I plan on getting it out this weekend and i will snap some shots and get them up on here, along with locating the engine serial #. In the meantime i think i have some shoots somewhere that i am looking for now. I have been able to find out by going back to the Auto Zone where i purchased the starter that it was a model # 6616n starter. From what i can tell through looking that part up is that it has a counter clockwise rotation. I am assuming that translates to LH rotation, idk.

Eddie,

I think your right. I am starting to believe that i might have installed the wrong starter, at least as far as the rotation is concerned. And yes, it was because "i didnt know any better" but i try to do the best and learn from my mistakes. and all of you in this thread are very helpful and i appriciate that, good info.

This pic is copied from my diaries page, of the Barefoot

Yup. Getting a starter at Autozone IS A BIG MISTAKE!!

Whats up with the electric fuel pump? What happened to the mechanical?

8122pbrainard wrote: Yup. Getting a starter at Autozone IS A BIG MISTAKE!! Whats up with the electric fuel pump? What happened to the mechanical?

Electric is what you get for a 318 Chrysler according to Dave at hurrikane marine. The marine mechanical is NLA.

jasonmac23 wrote: Here are some pics of the American Skier after the accident.

RIP to a rare boat

Eddie,
The starter mounts in front of the flywheel. And it is a CCW starter, so i would assume from what your telling me that since that is the cass, it would be cranking the engine in a LH rotation, correct?

That being said, obviously that puts me back to square one of locating the serial # of the engine to determine the engine rotation. Im guessing its gonna turn out to be RH.

I didnt think you was being disrespectful, actually i was simply agreeing with you. And this whole deal is turning into a good learning experience. Thank you again for all of your help on this issue.

I feel like i am starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel, as long as i can get some good weather here to get back into boat to work this out.

Hi Jason

If you look right here on CCF at the reference section you'll find a "PCM engine manual for all Fords and Chevys (1989).

As far as rotation of your engine you can easily find out if your starter is turning it the right way.

On all 454 PCM engines whether they are normal or reverse rotation. the distributor rotor turns clockwise when looking from above so:

Take off your distributor cap

Crank the engine over and see which way the rotor turns

If it turns clockwise you have the right starter

If it turns counterclockwise you have the wrong starter.

At least this will tell you if it's a starter issue.

Ken O