Senator John Kerry

skibum-are you still breathing?

AbunDiga909 wrote: Under Clinton, the country had a surplus--we were exporting more than importing, there was NO deficit. Wars are good for economies, and Bush glotes that the economy is booming now, but what he does not tell you is that due to the war, the country is in its largest debt ever of $8.3 trillion.

Do not confuse the budget deficit with the National Debt. During Clinton's administration the National Debt rose from $4Trillion to $6Trillion. In fact, the national debt has risen every year since 1930, whether at war or not.

Clinton did implement policies and legislation to reduce both the debt and the deficit.   He even went against his own party to do so. However, his debt reduction was obviously ineffective (50% debt increase during his reign), and his budget surplus had more to do with windfalls from dot com wealth than from any policy implemented during his administration.

BKH

BKH, not confusing the two, sorry if it sounded like I was... The easy argument against the debt of today is pretty much what you said--we've been in debt, its kept rising, its never really mattered, we keep borrowing, its insignificant... To some extent, I agree, but it has risen most dramatically due to Bush's record breaking budget defecit of around $300 million... eventually, we (not you, but me, my kids, grandkids, etc..) will have to pay it off (prob to china)... I am also not impressed that under Bush, 6 million more people are now BELOW the poverty line, while Clinton made 5 million become above it... Why taxes are so low and not as progressive as they should be, I do not know...

AbunDiga,
You seem like a very intelligent young man, and have very good writing/communication skills. I may not agree whith what you say, but at least you have an opinion and are ready to talk about it in a friendly and rational manner. I wish you the best in your future and keep pressing for the truth and a positive change in our leadership and govermnent. Most of us on this site have already been down the road you are about to travel, so we tend to not put up with much because we have been through it all before. I bet in 25 years you will not be saying the same things you are now, and that will come from your life experiences and dissapointments with polititians as a whole.

My take is that it's not about being blue or red politically, it's about the individual person who is doing the speaking. Kerry frickin' blew it with his comments......... end of story.

As for all the Bush bashing, any President in this day and age is going to get ripped on..... just way too much going on to not be the target of ridicule. As for Clinton, he was just shameful.

As for the war, support our troops and give them the utmost respect and resorces to keep the fight on their turf, not ours.

Post some pictures of your family boat in the Diaries section when you get a chance !!

This is why people dismiss your posts. Please just put the shovel down and stand on the sidelines, maybe you'll learn something.

AbunDiga909 wrote: I do not expect to change any of your minds or have mine changed...

AbunDiga909 wrote: c'mon, convince me... prove me wrong.. I want some real facts and opinions...

I'm hear to talk about boats and see some t*ts occasionally.

Austin, if I may there is a question for you.

This is not the first thread that you have made mention of the fact you are Jewish, why is that relevant particularly in this discussion?

Regarding your signature, I love CC's as most here however don't you think that could be percieved as a bit pompous regardless of who's boat it is?

Well, just wrote a response and hit the back button my mistake, so now its all gone..

The jew comment was only in response to hollywood's about "my situation." I was just clarifying "my situation" for everyone who didnt know, and I thought that (a) NYC resident, (b) democrat, and (c) jew, were hollywood's criteria that made up "my situation." Thats the only reason why, not to make a statement or anything... I dont even consider myself a good jew, its really a joke... 99% of my jewish comments have some humor hidden underneath...

The signiture really shouldnt' sound pompous b/c we (should) all know that it is based off of a very famous quote, I think, therefore I am. If that quote didn't exist, sure, it could sound arrogant. But since it DOES, we know that I didn't think like this from scratch, and it is merely a play on words, a pun even. Thus, it shouldn't be taken literally. Anyway, I only meant it as a compliment to correct craft..

BTW, has anyone seen Borat? one of the funniest "movie-films" i've ever seen..

PLBC wrote: Most of us know your situation...

My mistake, PLBC said it...

Here in "the" city the night ends after 9 or 10 o clock... i've leaving now actually...

   Diga,

You seem to be always clarifying your situation.Humor intended or not,IMHO it's not needed.Frankly,I don't think that anyone here doesn't know anyway.You're jewish-great.Move along.You seemed like a pretty good kid to me when we met,& I'm impressed at your age that you even know what the national deficit is,but Hollywood's right-Go have some fun.That sh*t will come later on in life.
   Personally,I don't care if the boat is "yours" or your "dads".The fact that your family has it to enjoy is all that matters.
   As you get older,all this stuff will make more sense.We all owe guys like 87SN2001 more than we could ever give in return.
   If anyone doesn't understand what these guys go through,visit the Vietnam Wall on Memorial Day.Seeing grown men in their 50's and 60's that can still bench press 400 lbs fall to their knees and cry is an experience that will change you forever.


   BTW,John Kerry has been an a$$ his whole life,that comment just made everyone realize it.

     Mike

AbunDiga909 wrote:
The jew comment was only in response to hollywood's about "my situation."


What are you talking about? I don't recall saying anything along those lines.

When I was 17 on a friday night I sure as hell wasn't debating politics on a internet forum, I was trying to get my girlfriend naked, maybe you should try it!..........

WELL SAID HOLLYWOOD....... dont forget to get a bag of gra$$ and some booze also!

I respect EVERYONE that has taken part in this thread because to me it simply demonstrates the utmost proof of who we are as a people, a country, and of one fantastic, however fallible at times, form of government, which includes two absolutely necessary parties. If we didn't have the ability to openly discuss, to disagree, and even to demonish, we certainly wouldn't be Americans. And I include several of our allied foreign friends in this team as well, who hopefully feel the same about their homelands.          

eric lavine wrote: Are you Jewish or are you an American, because the Jew-black thing is getting real old, I dont care where or what happened to my ancestor's, when the smoke clears Im still an American... Im not a racist but im reminded everyday in some way of how easy it would be to become one and why.

Eric, I have no clue what the hell you're talking about? jewish or american? both... black? ancestors? when did those come up? I didnt mean to refer to those in any way at all...

whatever.. i'll let it die now... good convo..i learned a lot

Man I love this site.

When I was 17, I too spent my time like Hollywood. Didn't hurt me none and hasn't hurt Hollywood. Plenty enough time to grow up.

john

I know what was going thru my mind every 30 or so seconds when i was 17 i didnt have time to think about anything else