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I'll agree with Tim..................................... WTF

You're the ................................... that threw away the old distributor which more than likely had the gear you need. (fill in the blank yourself)

You have a Sierra part number, but it's too expensive.

Don't use Duane's number, it'll be a really, really sloppy fit

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OOPS the 28714a was the wrong # on e-bay.   Pace Performance and O"Riley have the gear below. I copied and pasted from their ad the following:

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Grant

I'm still on the WTF train of thought

I looked at your website and your engine originally had a timing chain.

Look at engine page 9 on YOUR website and you'll clearly see the chain right near the cam gear in the pile of parts along with your RR distributor that's long gone.

Your comments on distributor clockwise rotation make no sense for a small block Ford distributor.

Given your confusion/misinformation you need to spit out some accurate info if you're going to get this right.

Anything posted today is pretty confusing




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You are right - - I AM


I was told the cam was directly gear-driven.

Glad I made those photos and glad you looked at them.

Now I am more confused than ever and can't think of how this distributor can be made to function on this engine.

Sorry to have caused confusion.

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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

You have a Sierra part number, but it's too expensive.

Grant,
It looks like you've already spent plenty so what's another $80 for a gear?


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No problem, nobody's perfect, I know I'm not. I usually learn something from my mistakes

Even if a gear drive setup was newly put in the cam will still rotate the same direction as the crankshaft because of the idler gears.

Being curious and stubborn, how about a picture of this distributor from the top showing the flyweights.

How about serial numbers or whatever for the Pertronix distributor.


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I thought it should rotate counter-clockwise, but others showed me how the springs behaved when the shaft was rotated while the top mechanism is held tight. They had me convinced the dizzy should rotate clockwise.(To me, the weights should swing from the pivots at the LEADING edge of the weights.
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Hi Grant

It looks to me like the flyweights get thrown outwards when the distributor is rotating counterclockwise.

That would be right for a Ford.

I think you just need a gear.
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

You have a Sierra part number, but it's too expensive.

Grant,
It looks like you've already spent plenty so what's another $80 for a gear?


It's not the money fr the gear. It's that I'm not sure it will work, and it seems I might be buying another dizzy altogether.
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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

It looks to me like the flyweights get thrown outwards when the distributor is rotating counterclockwise.

That's what I thought, but was convinced otherwise.
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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Hi Grant

It looks to me like the flyweights get thrown outwards when the distributor is rotating counterclockwise.

That would be right for a Ford.

I think you just need a gear.


Am I missing something here? To me it appears the dizzy should turn CW in order to push the heads of weights outwards.

I know it's automotive and a GM, but in this vid it shows a CW dizzy rotation swinging the weights, not CCW.

Go to the 6:00 minute mark to see what I'm referring to:







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Hi Grant

Go to ebasicpower.com and type in SIE 18-26823

You might be surprised at the price

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As for as the weights,you could stick the shaft in a 1/2 inch reversible drill and see which way makes the weights get flung outwards

Then you'll know for sure
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Don't get your hopes up with ebasicpower until you have the part in your hands. Something's they show are dropped shipped. I found that out with PCM cooling parts
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Doughtful there is a distributor that turns opposite,there would then be a need for a reverse rotation oil pump then
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj8w6f4wa7KAhUBdj4KHVlLCYoQtwIIHDAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1_0p6OCg8VQ&usg=AFQjCNFogh5zgRhMvfxbMJdBJffRcP4gJw

Don't have a clue if the link I tried to post will actually work, I'm sure somebody will make it work though. (J Pass is good at that)

If not do a google search for   "Pertronix youtube Episode 34 part 1" and at about the 10 minute mark and several times after that you'll see good shots of a Pertronix advance mechanism in a 302 Ford distributor.

Looks just like Grant's setup

Don't forget, no matter the engine rotation, the distributor always turns CCW in these SBF's
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Thanks again for all the help.
(I'll post this as soon as CCF is functioning again. It's not working at all for me as I write this.)

OF COURSE the dizzy rotates Counter Clockwise -- the same way I spun the oil pump to "prime" the oil system. duh!

I looked at the youtube showing the Pertronix Flame Thrower III, but did not see any rotation. No matter, just my comment saying I did view it. Also, not important, mine has the Flame Thrower II -- without the rev limiter.

I've now seem 100s of photos of the chain-driven cam in the 302.

The Sierra gear appears to be a good one, maybe the best for me.

Wish I could see all the recent comments. I'll look at them when I'm back on CC Fan.

BTW, it might interest you to know I phoned the tech line at Pertronix 3 times in the past week. At first, looking for the gear I need. The gear they do not make, nor sell. Each time I asked: "Looking at it from the top, which way does your distributor turn on a "right-hand" Ford 302?" Not a one of the three could answer.

Yes, I know it was downright stupid of me to can my old distributor. (I've promised to free up one of 3 garage bays for my wife's car. Pitching old motor stuff was part of that effort.)

   
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The you tube video reference was to show the flyweight arrangement in that 302 distributor,

It's the same as yours.

A Chevy distributor rotates CW and the flyweight arrangement is a mirror image of that due to the opposite rotation. You can find shots of that also on you tube

Just sayin' your advance mechanism is correct

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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj8w6f4wa7KAhUBdj4KHVlLCYoQtwIIHDAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D1_0p6OCg8VQ&usg=AFQjCNFogh5zgRhMvfxbMJdBJffRcP4gJw

Don't have a clue if the link I tried to post will actually work, I'm sure somebody will make it work though. (J Pass is good at that)

If not do a google search for   "Pertronix youtube Episode 34 part 1" and at about the 10 minute mark and several times after that you'll see good shots of a Pertronix advance mechanism in a 302 Ford distributor.

Looks just like Grant's setup

Don't forget, no matter the engine rotation, the distributor always turns CCW in these SBF's


Here you go KENO





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Well, I'll be . . . .
Look what I just found on youtube!

Here's its model number:

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ALSO -- as Ken informed me here, the shaft diameter differs from base diameter to diameter under gear. The new gear will be carefully fitted to the shaft, both diameter, and distance from shaft end. Thanks to all -- esp. Ken -- I've learned more than I thought I'd ever need, or want, to know about dizzy gears.

   

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Nice "find" Grant

Grant seems to have stumbled into a 351W RR gear rather cheaply and his engine guy/machinist is going to bush it to get the correct ID just like Duane suggested.
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This may explain why Pertronix does not find it necessary to provide RH rotation gears for their distributors:
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Welcome to the world of Pertronix,you won't find many happy users here. D.U.I seem to be the performance distributor of choice and come with the proper gear for your application



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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

Welcome to the world of Pertronix,you won't find many happy users here. D.U.I seem to be the performance distributor of choice and come with the proper gear for your application

Grant,
I sure agree with Gary and sure hope you picked up that Pertronix real cheap. Don't forget to factor in the gear you thought was expensive! When you make a purchase like this, I'd say it pays to ask here first.


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Pictures, . . . always asking for pictures . . .
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Looks good Grant

I did the easy part, Duane.s the talented one who did the hard part.

Since the 302 RR gears are pretty scarce and expensive these days, Duane took a 351 RR gear and sleeved it to fit the shaft, drilled a new hole for the pin and you're in business.

Maybe Duane will post any issues he may have run into since this might be the easiest route for people with a 302RR if needing a new gear

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