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79Tique
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I'm trying to remove my original 1979 Federal prop to replace it with my new Acme 542 and the old prop dosent want to come off. I'm going to try some heat and bilateral tapping tomarrow. I would like to keep the original prop for this old boat so I am hoping not to beat it up too much.
Any good ideas; I'm looking for suggestions. |
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SkiBum
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Prop pullers are a sore subject for me. Before I made my own, I used one of those small propane torches to heat the prop. I direct the flame on the hub (for several minutes). It would make a "popping" sound and slide right off. Sometimes, to give it a little "encouragement" I would tap it with a ball peen hammer. This causes some discoloration of the prop, may have some other adverse effects on the shaft and the strut bushing, but it does get the prop off. Another thing, leave the prop nut just on the end of the shaft so the prop doesn't just fall off the shaft.
I have had pleny of success with the "c" clamp looking prop pullers. Good ones run as low as $60.00. I have built several but found that the geometry must be precise or the puller itself does not work. |
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79Tique
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SkiBum,
Do you remember wich prop pullers are worth trying? No boat shops in my area so I'll be buying one on the internet and I'd like to get the right one the first time. |
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bkhallpass
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I don't have a brand name for you, but I do have a warning. A prop puller for a 4 blade prop should work for the 3 blade as well. A prop puller for a 3 blade prop, may not work on a 4 blade. If the puller is too wide, it won't fit between the blades of the 4 blade prop. BKH
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Mark Mel
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I used a 3-arm gear puller from Advance Auto worked fine and was only $20.
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Gary S
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The top one here is the one I have http://www.boatdesigns.com/products.asp?dept=624
Works good on my CC Mustang and a Shamrock, but I don't think it will fit a 4 blade |
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dans
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79Tique,I just removed my 82 federal & put on the 542.I used the acme puller & kit my wife got me for X mas.I followed the directions from acme & used the hammer on the puller.Tighten puller & hit it on both sides of the puller.Tighten more hit again ,then it busted loose.It was stuck good & I had to hit the puller hard.Dan
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SkiBum
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I have used pullers as much as 1/2" wide on four and three blade props. If I were to buy one it would be from ACME because it is forged steel 3/8" thick with stainless bolt. IMHO.
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Any one tell how the ones from SKIDIM are?
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Barracuda
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I've used a couple different types of pullers and like the plate style puller the best.
If the prop is really stuck on there hard, tighten the puller as tight as you can and leave it overnight. Come back to it the next day and go at it again. That method worked twice for me. Good luck -Brad |
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79Tique
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I'm looking at the two on boatdesigns.com (I don't want to sepend a over $100 for the Acme)should I go for the plate type or the "C" clamp one. The tap with the hammer method described with the C-Clamp one sounds effective, but folks seem to like the plate style better. Suggestions?
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TRBenj
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I'll agree that the Acme is very nice. Its over $100 because it is only included in a kit that adds a prop carrying case, an adjustable wrench, plus a spare lock nut, cotter pin and key. IMO, for $30 extra the kit is a good buy. If you only want the puller, there is one at Delta Propellor for $74 before our 5% discount. |
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FWIW - I just got a ARE prop puller. It's one of the most expensive pullers out there but it's also the most heavy duty puller I've seen. It even has a little swivel on the end of the screw-down portion so it doesn't marr the end of your prop shaft. It probably weighs twice what most pullers I've used weigh- it's a beast.
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I agree with M3fan. I have an Ironman that I got from SKIDIM and it works awesome. I liked it so much that I got another one for my brother-in-law for a Xmas present. It is a heavy one and the fact that the head swivels won't ruin the end of the driveshaft or anything else.
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I cant be 100% sure, but I believe the Acme has this feature as well. |
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SkiBum
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The Ironman is less than 100 bucks as well. Good choice unless you want to make a monster like the one in picture above.
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79Tique
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I'm ordering the Ironman this evening. Seems like the best I can get for under a 100 bucks. I did the heat thing today and some more tapping with a hammer and no luck. I'm not hitting the prop very hard as I really want to preserve the the old prop. I hope this Ironman puller does the trick.
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79Tique...did you try spraying it with something like (PB-BLASTER) that stuff can unfreeze anything, and its cheeper then a puller.
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79Tique
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Thanks MaddMarxx, I'll try the blaster with the puller as it is already ordered. Can't hurt to add some chemicals to the effort.
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79Tique
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The Ironman puller got the prop off. Now I'm putting the new Acme on and it seems to sit on the shaft nice. I spun it around on the shaft and it snugs up tight, the slots for the key line up well.
How do you go about putting the key back in? I want to do this right so I don't bugger things up. Any other tricks or details I should know about? Thanks for the help, Gabe |
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dans
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Mine only slid in one way smoothly.I had A new key & didn't force it.
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79Tique
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Did you set the prop all the way on to the shaft then push the key in? What's easy? Pushing by hand or tapping with a hammer? Mine does not seem even close to pushing in by hand. Might even be hard to drive in with a hammer.
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No hammer.
To start, make sure the key can slide in the prop, and the key can slide in the shaft. Else remedy the situation by deburring and if necessary run the key down a fine file to take a thousanth or two off. Then using some rubbing compound, lap the prop to the shaft. Clean. Mark the shaft with a sharpie where the prop seats. Now a$$emble with the keyway. The prop had better slide to the mark, else the key is binding. You want the key to float, not bind. Never draw the prop on with the nut. When you can a$$emble it all without bind, and seated as well as without the key, its time to add the washer add the castle nut or new nylock nut, and pin. |
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Do not use a hammer. If you can't get it on by hand something is wrong. Take it off and try again. Make sure the key is not already sitting high up on the shaft, I have success if it slides a little of the way up with the prop. |
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I agree with everybody else. The key must be able to slide into the prop and the shaft without binding. I put the prop on and get the key started and then just push it in so it's flush with the prop with a needle nose pliers or something similar. Then you can put the prop nut on. NEVER, EVER use a hammer.
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79Tique
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OK no hammer. I think I need a new key as this old one seems way too tight and it's ugly. I may try grinding it down but if they don't cost much then I'll order a new one. The weather here just got real cold -5 at night and 10F in the afternoon. Too cold to work on the boat so I have the time to wait for the part. I like the snow around in the winter but this sucks!
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Anyone know what size key goes with my 79 Ski Tique and a new Acme 542 prop?
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I think I read where someone buys 1/4"x1/4" bra$$ bar stock and makes his keys from that.
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79Tique
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Thanks, I found a new key to fit from Acme for $6.50 and it's on it's way to me.
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The New 542 is on and seems to fit great. Pleanty of clearance, and went on easy following everyone's advice. I put a new castle nut from Acme on with the new key. Does any one have experience with the newer style nylock nut on the older CC boats that came with the castle nuts?
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