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jterr
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ok so no need to remove oil pump?
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KENO
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It seems that this question has multiple answers like most of the ones you've asked.
One answer might be "not necessary, leave it alone Another might be "the pan is off and the pump is staring you in the face, why not replace it now?" If you were to replace it, don't get a high volume oil pump for a couple of reasons One reason is that it's not needed Another is that it won't fit under a stock PCM 351 oil pan. It'll contact the pan before the pan is seated on the block. making it kinda hard to bolt the pan on That's for a Melling Hi volume pump Also a 1 piece oil pan gasket makes life so much easier than the typical 4 piece. They're pricier but they work great. One example would be FelPro OS30214T for your 351W. |
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This is the one I got hope it will fit -- Fel-Pro Marine Oil Pan Gaskets SFL17998
It said to use some kind of sealant , any suggestions Think I will leave the oil pump as is |
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I've always put their Perma Dry or Perma Dry Plus gaskets like this one on ....................dry and not had any leaks.
Most all of their literature for these type gaskets say dry with no sealant, maybe yours says something different. |
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I have used a tacky stuff that just held the gasket in place during assembly.
One less thing to trip you up during assembly. |
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It said if the oil pan was flat no sealant, but if it had the raised ends may use in the corners. I will read again as it is up at barn. Thanks |
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I have seen somewhere, Summit? that you need to use RTV in the corners where the pan and mains meet.
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KENO
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I've seen somewhere where it says to install the Permadry and Permadry plus clean and dry.
Here it is in the link First time I used one I was a little skeptical but it fit so good I put it on dry and it doesn't leak Then again, there are usually more than one way to do things and have it work so a little where the curve meets the flat part is up to you. FelPro gives you the sealer with the gasket when they want you to use some typically. Just a small tube link |
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KENO
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Here are JT's installation instructions for his Permadry gasket.
They may be in the barn but they're on the computer too Looks like a little RTV on the block side of the gasket only at the 4 joints link |
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jterr
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None in my package... |
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A little more reading in the link.
They can tend to be the masters of confusion with all of their directions/information. that at times contradict each other link |
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Good thing I checked under the oil pan as the screen was pretty gummed up with sludge. Took it off and cleaned.
Next question can I run Synthetic oil in this engine?? |
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Yes, but the important thing is the level of ZDDP. There are several threads on oil and what is commonly used both regular and synthetic. |
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Ok ordered the VR1 and Fram filter.
Now so I don't start another thread could someone direct me to where to get the water hose replacements. Is hoses from auto store ok????? JT |
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You done did it now JT, you said Fram and Pete's getting all worked up Look in the Ski Dim catalog, you'll find whatever hoses you're looking for |
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Oh Cheezz-- On that form for filters it shows the Fram Xtended Guard XG8A on top of the list
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And there's nothing at all wrong with using it |
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Thank Goodness |
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Question Question Question---
On the water hoses does it matter if hard or soft (saw them on skidim)? Before I put alternator back on want to make sure if PO got the right one even that it wasn't hooked up This the type Palladium P7127M-3 rebuilt |
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John,
I'm wondering if you were looking at "soft" wall hose and then the wire reinforced sometimes referred to as "hard" wall typical of the larger exhaust hose? For cooling hose, the only place I would suggest the wire reinforced is the suction side of the RWP. You don't want it to collapse. Then all the other hoses for the cooling, the soft is fine. . |
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Of course not It 's a rebuilt Delco that doesn't have any spark arrestor screens or sparkproofing of any kind. You could post a picture from the front and the back just to be sure. |
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John, Yes, see if you can post a couple of pictures. I'm curious about the "M" in the part #. |
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Here's a link to a 7127m3 from your favorite parts emporium Pete It's a Delco 10SI style alternator The DL is for Duralast and the P on JT's is for Palladium which was an Advance Auto Parts brand that doesn't seem to be around any longer. The 3 is the clocking position of the plug when viewed from the rear A bazillion of them were made for plder GM vehicles Definitely no screens on this and JT's pictures will tell if there are screens on his. I figure in this case the "M" stands for maybe it might have screens since the same basic framework can have a screened front that's hard to see behind the fan and there is a cover with a screen assembly that can mount to the back. It doesn't mean marine just because there's an M in the number. That's why a couple of pictures were requested just to be sure link |
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Be right back...
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jterr
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Here you go-
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Well................... congrats JT
What you have there is a 100% pure automotive alternator It's a 3 wire Delco that somebody wired to function like a 1 wire Delco. and did a fairly ugly job of it. The big orange output wire would normally be hooked to the threaded stud on the back that has the little jumper. The little jumper makes it function like a 1 wire alternator. A marine version of that Delco would have a screened cover on the back like the picture below. It would also have screens behind the pulley/fan. The picture shows the cover removed The one in the picture is a 1 wire marine alternator. You can find the 1 wire marine alternator at a variety of electrical places on line like DB Electrical for 1 example. Many on EBAY also. They're cheap, easy to hook up and reliable A 3 wire has some advantages, but unless you're gonna be blasting tunes and running all kinds of electrical stuff the 1 wire will be just fine. |
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Just curious why do marine alts have screen.
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Because they spark inside! Not a good combination if there are gas fumes in the engine compartment/bilge. |
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67 ski nat
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I see, like a spark arrestor on a dirt bike
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