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hdfooter ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: October-07-2012 Location: Davisburg, Mi. Status: Offline Points: 38 |
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I have a 91’ BFN V-Drive with a PCM 454 7.4 liter motor and I need to replace the fuel pump. With most businesses shut down right now, I’m having a hard time finding the correct one to order. I’m hoping that some of you experts might be able to help me find the correct replacement and where I can order it from.
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21198 |
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Pics and more info would be good. The mark IV to gen5 transition happened 90-91 on the auto side but I’ve seen some later mark IV PCM’s.
Gen5 block has no provision for a mechanical fuel pump and uses electric instead. Let’s see what you’ve got. |
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hdfooter ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: October-07-2012 Location: Davisburg, Mi. Status: Offline Points: 38 |
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TRBenj - I can take pics and post tomorrow as it is already dark outside and I wasn’t smart enough to take pics while I was in there looking at it. I do know that it is a mechanical fuel pump.
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21198 |
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Did you try SkiDIM?
https://www.skidim.com/mobile/prodinfo.asp?number=97843 How did you determine that you need to replace your pump? |
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hdfooter ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: October-07-2012 Location: Davisburg, Mi. Status: Offline Points: 38 |
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I did see that on Skidim, just wanted to be sure it was the correct one. I determined it was a fuel pump because I’m not getting gas to the carb. The anti syphon valve is clean and clear and the fuel filter water separator is full (I filled it). If you have another thought, I’m all ears.
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21198 |
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I’d be checking that there is gas in the tank and the fuel pickup tube is functional.
Is there fuel in the overflow line of the pump indicating a ruptured diaphragm? When was it last running ok? |
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hdfooter ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: October-07-2012 Location: Davisburg, Mi. Status: Offline Points: 38 |
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I can check those lines. I stopped checking things after filling the filter and still wasn’t getting gas to the carb. Maybe assuming a fuel pump was wrong.
The boat sat all last summer as I had picked up another boat and ran that all last summer. However, the last time we ran the boat, it would bog down on a hot deep water barefoot start, but it would pull a skier out of the water and accelerate up to barefoot speed, approx 44mph. |
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21198 |
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How are you checking that fuel isn’t getting to the carb?
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hdfooter ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: October-07-2012 Location: Davisburg, Mi. Status: Offline Points: 38 |
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The front and rear fuel chambers on the carb are bone dry.
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21198 |
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If there’s fuel in the inlet side and getting nothing to the carb then I’d replace it... would be good to confirm you have a mark IV block but it’s likely you do.
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hdfooter ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: October-07-2012 Location: Davisburg, Mi. Status: Offline Points: 38 |
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Can you tell by a pic? I’m sure it’s obvious that I’m not a mechanic, but know just enough to get me in trouble. I appreciate the info you’ve given me thus far.
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21198 |
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Yes... a few pics from different angles would be best. Also grab the casting number of the block (bear bell housing).
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11189 |
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Since you say it's a mechanical pump, not knowing what you've done so far, it sounds like you're trying to start it after 2 years or so.
If that's the case squirt some gas down the carburetor and get the engine running this way. It will probably die and take a few tries or more this way and it may stay running. The pump will suck a lot better when the engine is actually running and revved up compared to cranking over without starting. It may be a waste of time doing this if the pump is dead, but it only takes a few minutes and is worth a try. I can think of better working conditions that what you'll have changing that pump on a V drive BFN ![]() |
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hdfooter ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: October-07-2012 Location: Davisburg, Mi. Status: Offline Points: 38 |
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KENO - believe it or not, under direction from a buddy of mine and against my better judgement, we tried that. As soon as the poured in gas was consumed, it died instantly. We tried that 4 times. After the same results each time, that’s when we checked the front and rear fuel compartments on the carb, they were bone dry.
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11189 |
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Sounds like you'l be replacing a pump then, or rebuilding the original I think I like your buddy's approach. ![]() |
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hdfooter ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: October-07-2012 Location: Davisburg, Mi. Status: Offline Points: 38 |
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If the one on Skidim is the correct one, for $108, to me, it’s easier to replace then rebuild.
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hdfooter ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: October-07-2012 Location: Davisburg, Mi. Status: Offline Points: 38 |
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Fellas, I’m not sure how to attach pics.
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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If you are on a mobile device, then it's not easy. If so, the easy way is to forward the picture to a laptop. Then using the post reply or by clicking on the full reply editor icon, look for the icon of a tree with the up arrow. Clicking it will bring up a browse box that allows you to select the picture. |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11189 |
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The one on SkiDim will fit just fine on the engine, but if you read the notes about the clocking of the inlet and outlet on the linked page below, you may be having to redo your line from the pump to the carburetor due to the clocking difference. Outlet at 7 o'clock position, inlet at 9 o'clock position. The inlet side should have enough hose for any relocation necessary. link |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11189 |
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Here's a picture of an 89 454 PCM fuel pump for comparison.
![]() Inlet is at 5 o'clock position, Outlet is at 6 o'clock position Ruptured diaphragm overflow tube is on other side but that's not a problem. ![]() |
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454 lucky dog.
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hdfooter ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: October-07-2012 Location: Davisburg, Mi. Status: Offline Points: 38 |
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Thanks for all the input from all of you. I haven’t been able to upload pics yet. If I get time today I’ll try and get on the computer and do it so you all can see. My pic of the fuel pump looks just like the pic KENO posted with the inlet at 5 o’clock and outlet at 6 o’clock. Looks like I’ll just need to reroute the lines in and out, or do you guys think I’ll need to replace the lines with longer lines to ensure any length of line issues?
Again, thank you all for your input and insight, much appreciated. |
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Hollywood ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: February-04-2004 Location: Twin Lakes, WI Status: Offline Points: 13521 |
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Hose barb on the outlet, hold on to your hat!
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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If the pump you get is screwed together, then you can clock the inlet/outlet. |
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hdfooter ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: October-07-2012 Location: Davisburg, Mi. Status: Offline Points: 38 |
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Will I need to get an extra gasket if I turn it?
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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I bought a replacement Carter pump for the Mustang while I rebuilt the original and while screwed together you could not change it. Cannot recall specifics but it could not be done. I ended up getting a longer inlet hose |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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If you can clock the pump you get, then you will not need a gasket. The rubber diaphragm acts as the gasket. |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11189 |
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You can clock the pump but whatever way you clock it you'll always have the same 60 degree difference between your inlet and outlet on the new pump. (difference between 9 o'clock and 7 o'clock position in degrees) The old pump has a 30 degree difference that can't be changed (difference between 6 o'clock and 5 o'clock position in degrees. You can't change the way the lower housing with the inlet connection bolts to the valve body section with the outlet connection. It can only bolt together one way and still have the pump work. So........you can clock both together, but you can't clock them independently of each other to make the new one the same as the old one ![]() |
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21198 |
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Ken have you confirmed that the replacement GM pump can be clocked? That seems to be the implication, just confirming.
Like you mentioned, the outlet (hard line) is really the only concerning piece... the orientation of the inlet (soft hose) should be relatively inconsequential. |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Correct so, a 30 degree difference should not be a big problem like Ken is all worked up about. Also per that picture he posted, it looks like he plumbs everything with rubber hose anyway so clocking isn't needed. ![]() |
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