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8122pbrainard
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John,
What about the RWP? have you taken a look at the impeller? I'm curious if it's bad or good. |
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Atomic Dam
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Here it is. Not sure if this would be considered good or bad. It hasn't broken up and still has some flexibility, but looks like there are a few cracks where the neoprene has curved over. What do you think? Would it cause my overheating in this condition? |
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8122pbrainard
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John,
One you get the new impeller in, I have a feeling you will still need to go after the cooling problem. Tim mentioned it earlier, tighten all the hoses on the suction side of the RWP. You may be sucking a small amount of air. |
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Atomic Dam
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I will certainly do that. Can I accurately gauge whether I am cooling properly using a "fake-a-lake"? will it supply enough water for that?
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If you haven't already found the FAQ thread in the maintenance section, take some time and explore it. In it, there's a link to the "bucket test". It's a method of determining the RWP performance. BTW, on the hose is a poor indication of performance sine the pressure of the water hose overcomes and masks cooling problems. |
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Okay. I haven't gone through that yet. I will make a point to do that. Thanks
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Its bad. The only power to pull water from the lake comes from the impeller's vanes springing back to shape. Your old one is 'set' and will pull extremely little to no water, especially at idle.
Like Pete sez, confirm pull with the bucket. |
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good to know. thanks for lingo too. I know I will pick that stuff up over time. I am going to order a plunger set-up so I can test it out once I get the new part installed and give my hoses all a good tightening. |
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Tom, I disagree. You aren't looking at the impeller in the housing compressed against the cam. Mute point anyway since the new one will be going in. |
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heh. yeah.
Pete i know you get 40 years out of yours but i would never run that impeller. the sides are worn out and leaking air past the weak vanes. No water on startup can be expected. I even let other people take the helm of my boat. I'd rather their eyes are on traffic than the temp gauge. Remind me never to get in your airplane |
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That looks like a jabsco impeller. Better make sure the new one matches what you took out
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Atomic
You seem to have gotten your pump issues into 2 separate threads now so I cut and pasted the below from my post in your other thread
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Ken thanks for that link. That is just what I needed. I thought I searched pretty thoroughly, and you find it right away.. You guys have been a great help to me so far.
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Some people around here think I'm some kind of search geek ...............or maybe I've been searching since yesterday..............or maybe I know a 13 year old with a smart phone that can find anything.
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KENO is the Holy Grail of google searches. Kinda spooky....
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Well I am super glad he is. My buddy list is growing...
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There is no doubt, Ken has figured out the search method and probably has a God given memory that works better than most. He has found solid solutions for more people than you can imagine.
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Great. Glad he is here. So update. I got the impeller in today. It is the correct impeller, I had to make my own gasket because I was unable to purchase that particular part and get here at reasonable cost. I will install tomorrow after work and water test it. Hopefully that will fix the cooling issue. I will also tighten up all the exhaust related hose connections as well..
I didn't realize how how of shape the old impeller was in. It looked fine, other than being "set", but the holding the new one... the old one is hard and brittle. I hope this is the fix. |
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Suction side of the RWP
Use a nut driver or socket not just a screwdriver. |
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He learned it from a young kid with a cell phone And............the only thing or maybe few things I have a good memory for are useless to about 99 44/100ths percent of the world The other 0.56% that it might be useful for are here on CCF |
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Okay. thanks for those tips.
Keno, it's the 0.56% that I fit into. It's only useless info to people who don't need it. I need all I can get. |
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When you install your brand new impeller squirt some dish washing soap fluid on the vanes, get them really slippery and you will be able to turn it right into place. Try it dry and you will be in for a fight. The soap won't hurt anything, it will wash right out on start up.
Don't use petroleum products they will help rot and age your new impeller. Mark |
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Alright. I have her all put back together. I tightened up all the hose clamps suction side, some had several turns in them before they tightened up. As soon as I got everything closed up a thunderstorm rolled through, so I will get her in the water tomorrow and see how I did. I am hopeful.
I did not realize it when I originally took the 3 bolts out of the cover, that the body of the Impeller housing is completely free from the pump, only held in place at that point by the coolant hoses. Taking that loose made putting the new impeller in place considerably easier. |
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I truly wish I had seen this before I got to pushing and shoving on that thing. Lesson learned. Hopefully next years replacement will go smoother with that little trick. Thanks |
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I run my impellers 2 years and have no issues. Everytime I try for a third year I pay the price with an impeller failure. I think they last longer in climates that don't expose them to as much heat. In CA I only get two years. My buddies have tournament boats here also, we all have come to the 2 year max program after seeing 3rd year failures.
I agree that your old impeller was certainly due for replacement. Any time I pull one out that looks like that I also had idle temps creeping up, they still work at speed though. |
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I'm in Texas, ambient temps here are almost engine operating temperatures. It's not quite 8am here now and I think we are already up to 140.
I see the general thought here is that they are a yearly PMCS, along with fluids. |
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You probably noticed that there should be a gasket on either side of the impeller housing, but I figured I'd mention it just in case |
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John, Ken's post regarding the gaskets got me thinking. The thickness of the two will make a difference on how well the impeller seals on the front and back (shaft ends). If the bucket test fails, I'd look at the gaskets. Also, is the impeller you purchased OEM?. The OEM suggestions earlier were due to the shaft end sealing issue. It was found that the OEM impeller had molded in "O" rings on it's ends whereas the imitation did not. The loss of performance was attributed to the ends not sealing. |
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He made his own gasket for the cover, no mention of thickness. Most all these raw water pump paper gaskets are paper thin and pretty flimsy I think you're referring to the Sherwood 09959 impeller with it's ribs Pete, not his Jabsco. I figure that we both figure that he can get it together and see how it works |
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Yes I am referring to the issue with the Sherwood OEM impeller VS non BUT, the Jabsco is still a flexible impeller pump that operates the same. |
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