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    Posted: April-16-2022 at 7:22pm
Hey guys hope all is going well and having a good Easter weekend. I noticed a slight crack and of course picked at it like a scab. You guys think gel coat repair kit will be able to fill the void entirely to surface? Or should I use some sort of epoxy filler and then gel repair over that? Appreciate the help! Thanks everyone.










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Ouch, that looks bad, I am not a glass guy so I will let those with good info help on this one.  It looks like there was some separation between coats that might need some real expertise to fix.
What caused this, impact or age?
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Most likely all of the above as sheā€™s 84SN2001. It actually looks worse then it is but looks like defect mold void from CC??? I was thinking to add some fiberglass matting to fill the void and then gel coat repair kit afterwards. Going to call few places to see what material I should be using. I know they make Marine Tex Paste but not sure if itā€™ll work for this application. Fun stuff. Thanks
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Yikes!
How deep is the wound? 
You can stuff in some epoxy with little micro-balls in it...I think it comes in a kit. Just mix it up and stuff it in. Looks like an air bubble in the layup process.
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Originally posted by MourningWood MourningWood wrote:

Yikes!
How deep is the wound?Ā 
You can stuff in some epoxy with little micro-balls in it...I think it comes in a kit. Just mix it up and stuff it in. Looks like an air bubble in the layup process.
Dry?

You are correct about the air bubble plus good idea on the micro-balls. Iā€™ll need to get better look at it tomorrow as I almost past out at the time. Everything around it is solid and no other signs of defect. Itā€™s dry to.
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Kostas...is the fiberglass in the hole squishy or solid??? Looks like it could have been an air bubble in the layup when mfg'd. If its solid then I think your in the right track. Resin with microballons added is a great filler. If you an find them at hobby lobby or Amazon then get some syringes and fill your Pnut Butter mix into the syringe and you can really force it in the gaps. Once its back there then get a toothpick and poke at it to make sure all the air bubbles are out. Once filled put some tape over the hole so it won't ooze out. Once cured then do some sanding and go over the repair with gel!
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Originally posted by Morfoot Morfoot wrote:

Kostas...is the fiberglass in the hole squishy or solid??? Looks like it could have been an air bubble in the layup when mfg'd. If its solid then I think your in the right track. Resin with microballons added is a great filler. If you an find them at hobby lobby or Amazon then get some syringes and fill your Pnut Butter mix into the syringe and you can really force it in the gaps. Once its back there then get a toothpick and poke at it to make sure all the air bubbles are out. Once filled put some tape over the hole so it won't ooze out. Once cured then do some sanding and go over the repair with gel!

Thank you Tim! The fiberglass is hard as a rock, no soft spots. Looks like Iā€™ll be doing some fiberglass and gel. Appreciate everyoneā€™s help! Glad I caught it now. Have a good Easter everyone!
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I feel like I saw a similar question on fb recentlyā€¦

If the glass is solid then this is purely a cosmetic issue and only needs to be addressed if you donā€™t like the look of it. No rush from a structural or deterioration perspective.

If and when you attempt a repair I would not advise a gel over epoxy repair directly.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

I feel like I saw a similar question on fb recentlyā€¦

If the glass is solid then this is purely a cosmetic issue and only needs to be addressed if you donā€™t like the look of it. No rush from a structural or deterioration perspective.

If and when you attempt a repair I would not advise a gel over epoxy repair directly.

That was me šŸ„“. Thanks Tim!
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Do your homework and just take it to a pro. It's a nice boat,been part of the family and didn't cost you anything,time to spend something on maintenance. 
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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

Do your homework and just take it to a pro. It's a nice boat,been part of the family and didn't cost you anything,time to spend something on maintenance.Ā 


I would Gary! If I could fine a reputable shop to do the work in a realistic timeframe. You know anyone in IL? Iā€™ll be calling the shop tomorrow next to N3.
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I think that would be a good choice closer to home. These guys up here by me did great work,they did Quinners 206 transom that time that tree got in his way at GL- https://allmarinemotorsports.com/   But in all fairness I called them once for my Super Sport,the owner told me to bring it in. I called back just before the day I was to bring it in,whoever I talked to said no way they are too busy- so I did it myself since my color was available through Spectrum. Heard later through the grapevine that you always want to talk to the owner,not the help.
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Alā€™s pro fiberglass in whitewater Wisconsin if you are willing to head a little north.
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Originally posted by PLBC PLBC wrote:

Alā€™s pro fiberglass in whitewater Wisconsin if you are willing to head a little north.


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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

If and when you attempt a repair I would not advise a gel over epoxy repair directly.

Your correct Tim as US Composites advised the same. They are looking into options for my application. Thanks again
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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

I think that would be a good choice closer to home. These guys up here by me did great work,they did Quinners 206 transom that time that tree got in his way at GL- https://allmarinemotorsports.com/Ā  Ā But in all fairness I called them once for my Super Sport,the owner told me to bring it in. I called back just before the day I was to bring it in,whoever I talked to said no way they are too busy- so I did it myself since my color was available through Spectrum. Heard later through the grapevine that you always want to talk to the owner,not the help.

Thanks Gary! Iā€™ll reach out. Spoke to a local shop this morning and advised they could do the repair but end of summeršŸ¤¦. Looks like this is going to be something I have to repair myself which Iā€™m not that worried. Thanks again and Iā€™ll give that shop a call as well!
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:


If the glass is solid then this is purely a cosmetic issue and only needs to be addressed if you donā€™t like the look of it. No rush from a structural or deterioration perspective.

Reiterating the above in case you missed it. Not a rush unless you just canā€™t bear to look at it any longer.

You can fill the void with thickened epoxy if you want, then use a conversion coat before gel. Vinylester or duracoat work. Or you could fill the void with thickened vinyl or poly, gel will still to either (directly).

I wouldnā€™t be afraid to try it yourself, thereā€™s really no penalty. Screw it up or donā€™t like the color match? Grind it off and try again (or bring to a pro).
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I have not had the negative experience using gel coat over epoxy as long as basic prep is performed. Check out a rather definitive study by what I would consider a reputable source. I prefer to make repairs with epoxy and I have never had bonding issues with a subsequent gel coat.
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Spoke with few shops and vendors all concluded air void as well during layup at the factoryā€¦below are the 3 options Iā€™m considering after talking with them. Little concern with option #1 and #2 with sanding. Figure I share this information incase anyone else comes across this threadā€¦.

Option #1:
- 700 Vinyl Ester Resin
- Aerosil-Cabosil thickening agent
- 1/32ā€ Milled Fiber powder
- Polyester Pure White Gelcoat
- Surface Wax (Mod-C) additive

Option #2:
- Fasco 110 Epoxy Glue, 2 part putty
- Aerosil-Cabosil thickening agent
- White Gelcoat Pigment

Option #3:
- USC Duraglas Fiberglass Filled Filler
- Spectrum Jupiter Patch Paste Kit
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Originally posted by nobrainsd nobrainsd wrote:

I have not had the negative experience using gel coat over epoxy as long as basic prep is performed. Check out a rather definitive study by what I would consider a reputable source. I prefer to make repairs with epoxy and I have never had bonding issues with a subsequent gel coat.

Iā€™ve had a 50/50 experience in multiple attempts to lay gel directly over epoxy and I can assure you that surface prep was not the issue. Extended cure time (I am talking years) certainly seems to help. Perhaps certain brands of both materials can factor into the compatibility issueā€¦ but I certainly wouldnā€™t want to be dealing with a potential 50% success rate. YMMV
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TRBenj,
Yep, some cheaper epoxy brands have more variability in their product. Excessive amine blush is a pain! I vacuum bag hydrofoil boards, so I spend the bucks and stick with West Marine epoxy. Some epoxies just seem to ooze amine.
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Originally posted by gun-driver gun-driver wrote:

OK I'll ask... How the heck did that happen??Ā 
Did the wife throw a hammer at you and miss?Ā LOL


Haha no sheā€™ll never hurt her boat ā˜ŗļøā€¦me, possibly šŸ¤·

Most likely contact with an object and developed a slight crack in the gel. When I was cleaning the teak I noticed the crack, pushed on it with my thumb and created hole. Thereā€™s no delaminating or structural concerns, just air void from fiberglass layup at the factory.
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Maybe Nautique will offer Warranty?   The boat is only what, 40 years old now.    Should not have happened but heck it lasted a very long time, probably many more boats have similar issues that never have showed up.
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While we may all love our vintage Nautiques, the quality (or quality control) back in the day wasn't anything to celebrate...
Example 1:  When visiting the factory in 1984, I saw the hulls that had been recently removed from the molds and filled with expanding foam. Workers would use ordinary handsaws on the flat to 'saw' the foam level over the top of the stringers, before the glass floor was laid.  Literally dumpsters full of foam scraps-that s%t was everywhere!
Example 2: I produced a very early (perhaps the first) removable swim platform brackets for the 2001. (out of necessity). Hence the trip to the factory in '84. Back home I installed several sets. Upon removing the outside port bracket, water flowed out seemingly endlessly from the bolt holes of a customer's new '84.. The owner was not impressed.
Example 3: After meeting our local promo team, I learned that the head of the team would mix up small cups of epoxy and go around the bilge filling voids along the base of the stringers and forward bulkhead. Small wonder why the need for stringer jobs. 

Probably no better/worse than other boats of the era. 

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Originally posted by OldSchoolBlue84 OldSchoolBlue84 wrote:

Originally posted by gun-driver gun-driver wrote:

OK I'll ask... How the heck did that happen?? 
Did the wife throw a hammer at you and miss? LOL


Haha no sheā€™ll never hurt her boat ā˜ŗļøā€¦me, possibly šŸ¤·

Most likely contact with an object and developed a slight crack in the gel. When I was cleaning the teak I noticed the crack, pushed on it with my thumb and created hole. Thereā€™s no delaminating or structural concerns, just air void from fiberglass layup at the factory.

I'm gonna guess your wife told you to keep your thumb away from her stern. Big smile
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Originally posted by gun-driver gun-driver wrote:


I'm gonna guess your wife told you to keep your thumb away from her stern.Ā Big smile


Haha Paulā€¦I might of left a few details out when I described it to her šŸ¤«
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Originally posted by MrMcD MrMcD wrote:

Maybe Nautique will offer Warranty? Ā  The boat is only what, 40 years old now. Ā  Ā Should not have happened but heck it lasted a very long time, probably many more boats have similar issues that never have showed up.


Now thatā€™ll be customer service & unbelievable warranty ā˜ŗļø
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Originally posted by MourningWood MourningWood wrote:


While we may all love our vintage Nautiques, the quality (or quality control) back in the day wasn't anything to celebrate...Probably no better/worse than other boats of the era.

And thatā€™s where youā€™re wrong. Your gripes arenā€™t without merit, but it doesnā€™t sound like youā€™ve seen very many off brand boats dissected.
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Like, say Supremes with water saturation, or Supras with water saturation, or Malibu's with asymmetrical hull chines, or......
I've seen a few...like I said, no better, no worse. 

indeed, I've owned 8 Correct Crafts (including current 2) and 1 Supra. Oh, and a Dunphy woodie. (This over 50 years)
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I have dissected a few different types and thereā€™s a pretty big difference in quality, IMO. Your ā€œno better no worseā€ is incongruous with your preferences and a little off putting, considering the audience.
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