Never again, Again !

I found some more silicone, and froggy's still missing, not too worried about him, all the voids are full of water.
Just a few minutes to cut out.










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You are all invited to come on down and pick up the NINE bags of waterlogged foam scraped out of the 96 nautique., and tell me it doesn't weigh over 500 pounds.

That of course does not include the portion of the airbox that is foam filled or the stringers that water ran out of when i drilled drain holes in them.
There are 8 more holes to drill and i'll try to film them so you can see how bad they are waterlogged.

Plan is simple, cut the stringer tops off. Block up the boat, square it up and water level it side to side so the stringers can be ground down even/level by 1 full inch.

Most likely refoam the stringers and cap with 2 layers of 1208 and pull a mold.
The wide portion will stay wide as that is were every one jumps in the boat.

The stringers then get cut out of the 96 and get fit into the 84, maybe have to narrow the width
(see blue tape)
whatever happens i will have a stringer mold that will fit the NWZ hulls and at the least will know how to modify them to fit in the 01 hulls.

The 96 stringers are 26 inches apart
The 84 stringers are 21 1/2 inches apart the tie ins between the inner and outer stringers may need to shortened to fit (see blue tape)

In either case neither boat WILL NOT have foam filled floors and both will be fiberglass srringers not filled with foam.
3/4 inch, 6 pound corecell wrapped in 2 layers of 1208 or 1708 will bring that 1 inch back up to final elevation in the 96. The 84 will get the same floor to it's proper elevation.

BUYER BEWARE these things are sponges. Pull an engine mount lag and a transom or floor screw and stick a q tip in it. take it to the scales.

There was no dry foam anywhere and the hole i drilled by the driver seat i thought was gonna pop the fuse or shock me, it poured out of the tie in stringer.

I'll photo and measure the truck as well as post miles and weight slips after the dump on wednesday. Monday i got lawn and power washing in the morning and titles in the afternoon tuesday i got an appointment at 1400 and will be elbows and ***************s until that time.

I got video of the foam way up under the open bow completely saturated and running out.
I can pick the tongue up now that's how bad. I'll post the vid if theres any doubters.

Woke up at zero 4 was at the gates before they opened. Post dump 1 3/4 inches



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Outboard stringers wet but not as bad as the rest of the boat, maybe 50 pounds from both.

Somebody asked about the 84 2001 battery/cooler hatches, said i'd measure it tuesday, here ya go and if anyone can point me to the source for this speedo part off the 96 snob i'd appreciate it.
The wood panels measure, 15 7/8 inches X 11 inches, they are 3/4 plywood, the trim lip is 1/4 inch and rhe radius is 3 1/4 inches

wayoutthere wrote: if anyone can point me to the source for this speedo part off the 96 snob i'd appreciate it.

Not much to add, but I do sympathize with your project. I can’t say that I’m surprised that the foam is wet, it seems inevitable- closed cell or not.

I find these pics of the composite structure fascinating, big thanks for sharing. I don’t recall anyone digging in quite so deep and thoroughly before (and documenting it). I’m sure I’ll think of more, but a few questions while you’re in there poking around:

How thick is the layup of the ICS? Is it different on the mains vs secondary structures?

I assume there are backing plates on the inside of the main stringers for the engine cradle to bolt to?

Whats the inside of the stringer system faces look like now that you’ve cut some of the tops off? Gel covered? I would have guessed they were laid up on a male mold.

Now that the foam is out, I assume the spray relief pockets are visible on the inside? I can’t really make them out in the pics.

TRBenj,
the only layer count +/- i can give at this point would be the hollowed out portion of the outer stringers and tie-ins, the wide parts and that would be (edit, 2-3 layers) of biax material, its not very strong because of the span, and not very consistent in that area.
The narrow portions forward and rear sections of the outboard stringers are strong, so are the engine stringers, i'll have a thickness once they are cut.

My guess is a male mold too but there is no gel inside or outside. All the stringers ars laid up in a biax material. In fact so is the hull and deck.

Engine stringers are modified with 1/4 inch aluminum and the engine cradle is lagged into the sides and down thru the top. Yep lagged, no thru bolts. Even lags on the transom for hardware that is covered by foam/floor.
Yes, the spray relief pockets and hullside reliefs are all visible and thus far the layup looks good.
Only problem is it looks like the stringers have a flange on the hull so it's a lap joint instead of a "L" or 90 degree bonded to the hull. That means foam could have squeezed in there like it did between the floor and top of the stringers. Have a better picture when all the foam is out and it'll photograph better too.

Gotta ski,
Yours might havexbeen the thread i was looking for about powerwashing the foam out, that was a great idea.
Right now i bought a 5 pack of sawzall blades, the trailer windshield etc should get mu money back but i can't relax at night unless i'm q tippin fiberglass dust outta my ears so we'll try and make something from this hull.

Another intact 01 or pre 01 boat is the ticket to completing the snob, no rush, 1 will pop up and be the hardware, interior and engine donor, the hull will be a bar and grill

I did get wayouttathere on tuesday. Took only documents, non replaceables and the don't let that stuff fall into the wrong hands items.

Pitots are safe, made it back friday at 1300 hrs. We were extremely lucky.

TRBenj,
I'll cut and get a thickness and photograph the locations. Give me a couple days.

When they laid up the stringers or afterwards a piece of 1/4 inch aluminum plate got boded to the inside of the stringers were the engine goes, maybe in the back too were the angle is lagged to the stringers for the rear hatch and tank support.

I'm moving not sure when so focus is on prep for travel and winterize, hence cut it open get the water out and service the bearings.

From the brochure

I wont get a picture of the inside of the engine stringers until they are opened up, that could be next week or in 1 1/2 years as there is a bigger project gearing up and will kick off at the last second. Meanwhile here some thickness pictures and i'll fill in the blanks and show an idea later when i got some time

Yep, pretty close to those thickness.

couple pictures of the rear were the gas tank can be seen, in the outlined area, the stringers have a flange that crosses all the way from the inboard stringer to the hull side. From the inside it looks like the hull would have a 1/2 inch step but it doesn't.

Another outlined picture of the out board stringer up fron has an elevation change.
That's were they put the floor pan.

My idea is to pull a mold of the stringers and also make a floor pan template/mold.

Think i got dealing with the hard parts of the stringers front and rear, the tough to get at or tough to get out sections so a diy'r could fix his waterlogged maloon special by keeping short sections of existing stringers intact (but clean out the wet foam) and cut in the 50% of stringers section that is easy to get to and easy to get out then tab in a floor pan to finish it off.

Boom, no foam filled rebuild it original waterlogged mess like the factory does.
Same for the 84 hull, well maybe not theres not a problem but theres a problem.
I'll start a seperate thread.

Meantime what your looking at is, aaggh who am i kidding who knows what it is, foam filled
block with a pvc pipe that starts up front by the bow eye behind a dam and dump into the airbox by the front of the stringers. It dumps all that water into the voids around the drivers seat and no doubt is what filled up the empty cavity under the driver se

Anyway, that chunk of foam up there under the bowrider i'd bet weighs 200 pounds.
It's gonna have to wait, crawling up there isn't topping the list and really the deck should come off.

I was in there pulling off 20 pounds of sound deadoning material from the hull sides, so i'll repeat it's a convertible, it's a ski boat, the whole point is to feel hear and smell everything that's going on. you sit next to v8 designed in the sixties. If you want nvh go buy a ***************ing bentley.









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wayoutthere wrote:  Did i mention highway tire tow and robbery already, maybe i should read my own thread.

Level of difficulty 2 of 10, no fumes no burning skin. Works almost right away.
It didn't do much with the decals and did nothing to the pinstripes.
I used more than needed to keep it wet but still used less than 1/2 a 2 qt bucket.

Anybody have a product that removes pinstripes letters and decals i would appreciate it.
They fell off the snob, on the 01, they are like iron.