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8122pbrainard
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Posted: October-08-2007 at 9:00pm |
87BFN owner wrote:
Pete,
was that you or some one else using your name, suggesting Tim pull his tranny and have the case chromed. Doesn't sound storck or period correct to me. Just teasing you a little bit. |
That was indeed me! The comment was made that there was some rust on his trans so I was giving Tim a hard time! He, being such a meticulous person plus all his projects look so good that I needed to comment! I also thought it would compliment the exhaust pipe job he has done!
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stang72
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Posted: October-08-2007 at 9:07pm |
Fair enough Ryan Sence 79 was'nt around , I had to be the bad guy!
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stang Face plants are not that funny when it's you face! The Super Air
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8122pbrainard
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Posted: October-08-2007 at 9:19pm |
stang72 wrote:
Fair enough Ryan Sense 79 was'nt around , I had to be the bad guy! |
Hey Gary, you have started to spell like Chris too!!!! "Sence 79 was'nt around"
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Umbilden
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Posted: October-08-2007 at 10:30pm |
Here's a tip for winter - if your nautique has a heater, don't forget to drain it!
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Posted: October-09-2007 at 12:56am |
no harm done.........heres another tip.....move south as the doc would say!..as for me i will enjoy the winter. gives me time to come up with some new plans /ideas and get some house work done..time to clean all the boats seats again and give all equipment a nice cleaning also..
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87BFN owner
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Joined: August-25-2006
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Posted: October-09-2007 at 12:59am |
Pete, was just messing with you earlier, I think Tim's boat would look great with a chrome tranny housing.
Once you drain the block, manifolds, strainer, and RWP and run anti-freeze through the system. I would think that it would fill the heater core with anti freeze or am I wrong on this.
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quinner
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Posted: October-09-2007 at 2:03am |
You are correct on the heater core James, it is a good idea to disconnect the supply and return and blow through them with your lungs to purge all water first.
If equipped with a shower I run the pump to drain the water out of that system as well before filling with A/F.
There are a couple more items I can add, on the newer boats (in the trunk of our 206) is an ECM (I think that's what it's called), the speedo water lines go to this module, they should be disconnected to drain properly, it is also a good idea to completely remove the module and store indoors.
What can help lengthen the life of the steering cable is to spin the wheel back and forth several times every couple weeks to help keep the cable lubed.
Don't forget the bounce dryer sheets throughout to keep the mice away.
I followed Eddie's sequence for many years without incident, on my current boat I now drain everything first and then run A/F through the system while running the engine.
I also like to change the oil before the final running to ensure fresh oil is in the crankcase for the last time it runs.
Here is a question for Eric:
Recently read a post saying "overfill the tranny with fluid for layup, basically the entire case, then drain to the proper level in the Spring", what do you think, good or bad idea?
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jdkenyon
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Joined: March-16-2007
Location: Twin Falls, ID
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Posted: October-09-2007 at 1:25pm |
I winterized my boat last night and found one more thing to put on the list if your boat has it. The fresh water flush. Mine has a hose running from it to the stern and it was still full of water.
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87BFN owner
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Posted: October-09-2007 at 7:56pm |
I change my oil when I winterize it, how many guys change it again in the spring when they get it out?
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8122pbrainard
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Posted: October-10-2007 at 9:36am |
87BFN owner wrote:
I change my oil when I winterize it, how many guys chnage it again in the spring when they get it out? |
I have always just done it once in the fall when winterizing.
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Umbilden
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Posted: October-10-2007 at 12:07pm |
I do not change my oil in the fall. The additives in oil are much better than they used to be, but they still break down. I feel much better having fresh oil in the spring, when the engine is going to be ran, rather than fresh oil for storage. The situation would be different if I knew my engine had problems leading to contaminants in the oil.
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8122pbrainard
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Posted: October-10-2007 at 12:15pm |
Maybe my thinking is old school with todays additives. I've always believed that geeting any acids that may have built up over the summer is better than leaving them sit over winter. I remember seeing main bearings that looked like Swiss cheese because of the acids from blow by.
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Hollywood
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Posted: October-10-2007 at 1:23pm |
quinner wrote:
You are core James, it is a good idea to blow them all first.
I pump that system well before filling the trunk (I think that's what it's called) to drain properly.
What can help lengthen the life of the cable is to spin back and forth several times every couple weeks to help keep lubed. Don't bounce.
I followed Eddie's sequence for many years without incident, I now drain first and I also like to crank for the last time. what do you think, good or bad idea?
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I can tell by your bitterness it's probably really skinny, but small enough to refer to it as a "cable". Wow, now I really feel sorry for you.
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Umbilden
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Posted: October-10-2007 at 1:25pm |
I am no expert in this area - but shouldn't most of the acid problems be a thing of the past with the new low sulfer fuels of today?
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tullfooter
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Posted: October-10-2007 at 3:13pm |
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Don't like to see the forcasted 37 degrees coming thursday night. brrrrrrrr
I don't even want to think that the boat is ready for it's winter prep.
Don't even say it jbear
Lefty
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White Lake, Michigan
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backfoot100
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Posted: October-10-2007 at 3:25pm |
Umbilden wrote:
I am no expert in this area - but shouldn't most of the acid problems be a thing of the past with the new low sulfer fuels of today? |
Not necessarily. Granted it's probably much less than it used to be but completely eliminated. No way! The oil has been subjected to hours of use and has picked up numerous contaminants that are byproducts of blow by, microscopic metal pieces, condensation(yes, your engine can condensate from the inside under the right conditions), and probably numerous other forms of contaminants that only a physicist can understand. You want to get rid of all that crap before you subject the engine to just sitting there for months so that it doesn't rust from the inside out. It isn't an issue of you only need clean oil while you're using it. You need clean oil more so when you aren't using it for prolonged periods of time. Why do you think that you fog the cylinders? It prevents rust. Do you use drain oil for that? Absolutely not.
It's very important to warm up the engine, drain the oil, put in fresh oil and run the engine again to make sure that all that fresh oil has circulated through the engine to coat it entirely essentially fogging it from the inside. Now there are no contaminants that can damage your engine in any way from the inside while it's put to bed for the winter.
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When people run down to the lake to see what's making that noise, you've succeeded.
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87BFN owner
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Posted: October-10-2007 at 10:44pm |
My question still remains does anyone also change it again in the spring before use. As the oil has sat for 3-5 months for those of us that do not live in the south, (jbear,MM,Backfoot,Boat Doc) to name a few. Thus while sitting it has been breaking down, and built up condensation.
Tull,
Not winterizing yet just asking a few questions, we are skiing friday. Plus I promise one of the boats wont be winterized alteast until November 1st. I owe Hollywood a pic of me skiing without a wetsuit in October. I am shooting for the 31st.
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stang72
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Posted: October-10-2007 at 11:42pm |
Pete...I Kant spel 4 sh*t, butt I did spell around write did'dt eye??? SENCE...got it , it did look wrong I dispronounce stuff two! Please correct me when I mess up!
Oil change in the fall and spring...I do , but after a few times out in the spring...oil is cheep protection...well , unless you use Royal Purple(which I started doing in the promo). Great stuff and no it is not leaking even though it's synth!
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stang Face plants are not that funny when it's you face! The Super Air
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stang72
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Posted: October-10-2007 at 11:44pm |
Pete I re-read the post and it looks ok to me??? Love the edit function!
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stang Face plants are not that funny when it's you face! The Super Air
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Hollywood
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Posted: October-11-2007 at 1:13am |
87BFN owner wrote:
I owe Hollywood a pic of me skiing without a wetsuit in October. I am shooting for the 31st. |
James, don't you mean December? Have fun on the new boat this weekend. Water is still in the upper 60s around here, we'll be out
Saturday.
87BFN owner wrote:
The wet suit is for barefooting and ski after November. |
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eric lavine
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Posted: October-11-2007 at 10:31am |
Quinner, youve learned well young Luke, fill the trans to the top and drain in the spring, it helps prevent rust build up in the case and helps keep the seals saturated in oil
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87BFN owner
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Posted: October-12-2007 at 8:12pm |
Hollywood,
I have no problem showing you a pic of skiing in December as I have alrady done it. But another december run this year is no problem. I do wear a wet suit in december. You said you wanted proof of skiing in October with no suit, so I will provide you with this proof. November skiing is a little tough to fit in due to deer season.
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Barracuda
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Posted: October-15-2007 at 10:54am |
phospher wrote:
- Drain water from block, waterpump, and exhaust manifolds. How do I know it's all been drained? When I pull the plugs I assume that water will run out but won't a little bit be left behind?
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-Don't forget to drain the water from the transmission oil cooler. TRBenj shows it in his photos on the first page of this thread. there is a drain plug on the cooler.
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TRBenj
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Posted: October-15-2007 at 11:51am |
Barracuda wrote:
there is a drain plug on the cooler... |
...but its easier just to pull the lower hose off.
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Barracuda
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Posted: October-15-2007 at 3:01pm |
TRBenj wrote:
...but its easier just to pull the lower hose off. |
okay- Just don't want the guy to miss it.
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20th Century
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Posted: October-20-2007 at 1:32pm |
Quick question. I only put 5 or 6 hours on my boat this season. Didn't get it functional until mid August. I probably won't put more than 25 hours on it next season. I am seriously considering not changing the oil. It has been in there since last fall, but the engine made such good pressure and the oil is the older stock rotella 15/40 with all the zinc. Being a diesel oil it should be loaded with detergents. What do you think?
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M3Fan
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Posted: October-20-2007 at 2:30pm |
20th Century wrote:
Quick question. I only put 5 or 6 hours on my boat this season. Didn't get it functional until mid August. I probably won't put more than 25 hours on it next season. I am seriously considering not changing the oil. It has been in there since last fall, but the engine made such good pressure and the oil is the older stock rotella 15/40 with all the zinc. Being a diesel oil it should be loaded with detergents. What do you think? |
I'm with you. I'll have about 10 hours of use on my oil, which is Valvoline Racing oil. I'd think the chemists that worked on the detergent formulas would quit their jobs if they heard we changed the oil after 10 hours, feeling that all their work was for nothing . Mine will stay in until mid summer next year.
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87BFN owner
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Posted: October-20-2007 at 2:46pm |
Oil breaks down over time. I know you put very few hours on your oil but, you have introduced impurities to the oil.(pardon spelling ithere are mispelled words. Late night last night.) Those impurities will continue to break the oil down and cause a build up of acid in the oil pan. Oil's cheap in my opinion change it.
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jbear
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Posted: October-21-2007 at 3:03am |
Hey Lefty;
How's the weather? Not to cold here yet.....88 today.
How is the wing doing? Cast off yet?
john
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Hollywood
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Posted: October-22-2007 at 12:36pm |
87BFN owner wrote:
Oil breaks down over time. |
How long is this oil sitting in warehouses, freight trucks, then the store shelves before we even dump it in our engines?
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