A buffalo’s first bowtie

mm is sending me a 1.23, your trans has value to me, i could probably go even up with your trans and you handle the shipping, for a rebuilt 1.23...
there are other trannys' that will work, if your patient and have time i"ll look for a 450 or 630 zf in the 1:1 range, they a basically bullet proof.....im just throwing some options out there for you

And you will need a new starter, dist maybe depends on the cut of the gear, and a circulation pump some cir pumps are bi-directional and if it is your ok but most are directional and you'll need to flip the RWP 180 as well.

This would be your best option going with a 1.23:1 it's really going to save you a ton of money and you can have the roller cam as well.

87BFN owner wrote: I am not making any changes this year, but like I said I am gathering info and part numbers for the wish list. That way I can make sound economic choice.Eric, how is the boat coming?

87, no offense man, but do you mind if I get my 1 boat going? You have 2!

Buffalo
None taken, didn't see anywhere that I was stepping on your toes by me asking questions as well but have at it my brother.

Put the flat bump stick in it and rip up the lake!!!! The flats have been around for a lot longer than the rollers so you'll be fine. Marine engines don't have near as much lift or duration as a 1/4 miler so it'll be fine and whole lot cheaper.

BuffaloBFN wrote: This is looking to be the plan. Eddie or anyone(got it Tim, LOL), would you warm the cam a little or keep it stock. My reason for asking is not about power, but more about maybe letting it breath better. Thanks

Greg, you know my opinion but Ill add another 2 cents worth...

Allowing the engine to breath better (better flowing intake, heads, exhaust, and a cam to match) will increase efficiency AND power- theyre really the same thing.

BuffaloBFN wrote: TRBenj wrote: Allowing the engine to breath better (better flowing intake, heads, exhaust, and a cam to match) will increase efficiency AND power- theyre really the same thing. So should I stick with cam specs like the crane 139001 has? The #'s for this cam are ok for a flat tappet cam?

Im not sure- I dont know enough about the BBC to comment on the specifics (lift and duration). The values would be fine for a flat tappet, though. It does seem like a very mild cam, though. I might be inclined to go a *little* more aggressive, even if youre sticking with some reworked stock heads and a mild intake manifold upgrade. PCM/Ford was very conservative with their stock cams.

The best advice I can give you is to find someone who knows BBC's inside and out. Tell them what components (heads, intake) youre using, and what your goals are and they can make a specific recommendation.

FYI, my cam is rated to make power from 2500-5200 RPM with my setup. I have zero idle or off-idle issues- and I gained a TON of holeshot and midrange power. Dont be afraid to be a little on the aggressive side, with something rated for power on the order of 2000-4800 RPM. Our boats get a lot of prop slip out of the hole.

TRBenj wrote: The best advice I can give you is to find someone who knows BBC's inside and out. Tell them what components (heads, intake) youre using, and what your goals are and they can make a specific recommendation.

Thanks for hanging in there Tim & Ed. This seems to have gotten boring to most right at crunch time.
I have thought more than once that I was dealing with someone who knew what they were talking about. Guy A knows his business but doesn't listen to me; instead he decides for me what he thinks I'm trying to say. Guy B knows this engine inside and out...but for race/street rod applications. Guy C knows a little about a lot of different engines and is a good salesman, but is full of it from the start and doesn't care about much more than the fleecing he's gonna give me?!!?

LMAO...I'll get there, 'with a little help from my friends'!

Try this guy:

Tim Dorr, Dorr's Marine Engine Windham,ME
207-892-5145

backfoot100 wrote: They may be out of print but you won't know unless you look.

I've been looking for that book for 3 years!   LOL   It is out of print and last time I looked it was available for $225. Maybe it's worth that at this point?!!?

It'll all shake out like it's supposed to.

I may be missing something, but that site says my card is invalid...and it isn't, and my AV software didn't like the link either.

From what I've seen on BBC and SBC specs for cams they are much higher for stock stuff compared to the ford specs, so what might look like a pretty step lift and duration comparing it to a ford spec cam is actually stock to very mild in the chevy world. My self i would have to ask a couple of friends that race BBC to even offer any advice.

looks like a good source.

in reality, the flat was in there for 2500 hours and it retails for 280.00, and is available....this seems like a touchy subject lately.
as said, you need to talk to a guy that works these bbc's, they knows the do's and donts'
imo, 2500 hours is a hell of alot of hours and would take you 15 years to accumulate that many hours, rollers are nice but, if not available what are you going to do? i myself am leary about camming BBC's because of a few problems in the past, with small blocks its a different story.

im sure that cam was designed for a good curve fot the ski boat, it looks like there is not to many options for you, you can pick up horsepower in other areas if desired, different ratio rockers, heads, pistons, intake etc..the technology since your boat was new has changed and simple and inexpensive upgrades such as even the intake will make noticable differences. do alot of research on a good intake for this cam if possible
if you decide to use that cam, build your engine around that cam. that boat is a bully to begin with and a fresh stock engine alone is plenty