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    Posted: October-20-2008 at 10:07am
President Obama, I think Powell clinched it
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A lot of conservatives dismissed him as a closet Democrat, but I think he will give a lot of like minded Republicans justification to do the same. Agree with him or not, his statement about why he made the decision was one of the most reasoned and well expressed things I've heard recently.

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Originally posted by eric lavine eric lavine wrote:

clinched


Interesting choice of words...
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I think, very choicey
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Lets not count those chicken just yet.

Whether we want to admit it or not, there are a lot of people out there that are just unwilling to vote for a black man for President of the United States. It is easy to tell a pollster that you plan on voting for Obama, it is an entirly different story actually pulling the lever for him. Right or wrong, just the way it is.

If I was Obama, not sure how much I would want a Powell endorsment. Kind of goes against his whole anti war thing, seeing how it was Powell's speach at the UN that really sealed the deal for this war.

As for Powell for President, I think I remember hearing him say he would never put his family through something like that. Can't really argue with that. Who needs that grief?
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Adam,

Not that its my sentiment, but I agree with you and had brought that up to others before. I finally heard on the news this weekend that it has a name...The Bradley Effect, after a black governor(?) candidate in CA that was way ahead in the polls but lost.

And color aside, I have trouble believing most polls as they tend to be biased to the left any way. Kerry and Gore were ahead in the polls too. What is a little scary tho is the electoral vote count. McCain only has to loose by one vote in each state and the whole state's Electoral vote goes to Obama and looks like a landslide. Going to be a long night.(at least I hope it will be...as compared to an early on electoral landslide)
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Maybe McCain has given more resons not to be voted than Obama's given to be voted.


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Azues, i think the wont vote for a blackman people will be offset by the Im voting for a blackman people,
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Do you all actually believe Colin Powell just recently made up his mind as to who he was going to vote for? He's looking at the polls!! Colin Powell is following the most popular man right now because he wants to be president. For me to believe that he was "undecided" up until a month ago is totally ridicules and unbelievable.
As far as Obama's "spread the wealth" socialist stance, you can have it. I don't want any part of it. If you are a small busness owner, you aught to be scared as hell.
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If you believe in Obamas public health care just visit a country that already has it.My wife is from Ukraine and their best doctors are already here in USA. Their hospitals are dumps and the doctors expect you to give them money or they will send you home! I want my doctors to be rich and happy. Socialism is a form of communism. Not very political but I get pissed when politicians takes those of us who works every days money and gives it away to some lazy a--. Just my opinion.
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Originally posted by 75 Tique 75 Tique wrote:

Going to be a long night.


Going to be a long 4 years my friend....

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where are all the Demmy's?
McCain in my eyes is the better man for the job, but, I have no idea what part of his body was doing the thinking when he picked his running mate. thats where he f-d up. she is mainly out of the spotlight becasue she has no clue on what the hell is going on, and there is a good chance she would be bumped up into the high seat....Deer season would be a national holiday and the postal workers would get the day off
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Larry-
I think I saw the same thing, or similar, on ABC nightly news the other week.

Eric-
Good point.

Kevin-
There was one state in the union that provided universal health care to its residents, Hawaii. Guess what happened, they shut it down 7 months after it started. They could not keep up with the cost and demand. People were basically saying "Why should I continue to pay for my personal health care when the government will give it to me?"

If Obama does win, I hope the doctors and politicians are smart enough to sperate government health care from private health care. I don't want my doctor and hospital to be bogged down with runny noses headaches so much that I can not even get in to see them when I really need to.

I am not a mean spirited person, I just don't think this can work. Great idea in theory, bad idea in reality.
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one theory that does seem to work is setting up sick stations at your local pharmacy, if you havnt noticed there is one at every corner, but it could take care of the runny noses and coughs, My wife is from that generation, she gets flu shots, she makes sure meat is well done, she goes to the doctor for a frickin hang nail,
Ive seemed to miss the Doctor for about 15 years, which i probably shouldnt, but if it does head to a social direction education needs to follow, there really is alot of excess in the medical industry and regulations need to be put in place, Doctors are gun shy and cover the bases nowadays,
when you dont have coverage as 46 MILLION dont, they will not mind standing in line for 8 hours, its better than sitting at home waiting to die because you dont have coverage, its always the well covered that get on the band wagon with the big mouths.
we live in the most powerful society in the world and the current health care system does not work...prove me wrong
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I really don't buy the whole concept that if Obama loses it will be b/c America 'wont elect a black man'. This is just silly, after all how many people voted for him so far. I think a lot of the people pushing this BS are just trying to keep the whole "racism in America" alive.

Polls ARE NOT science. You really have to listen carefully to how they describe the poll criteria 'likely Voters' are people who answered the phone. 'Registered Voters' are people who 9 out of 10 times, show up and vote. Polls can be tailored to achieve specific results. In the case of The Bradley Effect, this did not prove race was a factor, it just proved that polling is flawed. Most of us know people who will not tell who they will or have voted for.

Funny, when I hear people who are going to vote this election, it is just too important talking about how they are going to vote for McCain or Obama. I always ask them...where are they going to vote in November? Most have no idea where their polling station is. They better stick to answering the phone.
     
Was is really scary is that if Obama wins there will most likely be a one party majority house, senate & executive. Our system is based on check and balances. Who will be in DC to say no?




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on the other side of the coin, he is half white....does this make him a white man or a black man? or is it what one thinks?
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Originally posted by kevin719 kevin719 wrote:

Socialism is a form of communism.


I dont think so, perhaps it was 30 years ago, but today I see socialism as the result of capitalism lastly not providing solutions for an entire society. Some people just gets too many while other dont get any.

The new Socialism nowadays is far from Communism, it has turn into a way of Capitalism where the state regulates some things to make it work for everyone so it doesnt get too unbalanced, Sweeden, Finland, Denmark could be examples.

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Luch, explain healthcare in your country including the pro's and con's
socialism in a democracy is a far cry from socialism in a dictatorship
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Eric, healthcare here goes like this, you can get privates healthcare (pre-paid), in wich case you get attention almost everywhere (the better the prepaid or plan you have the more places you get)or if you dont have a prepaid you can go to public hospitals.
These are pretty good in my city, so we get a lot of inner migration from other places of the country where they dont.

When you work, you or your employer pay a montly tax for your retirement and healthcare, it's an obligation wich many like to dismiss. This montly fee depends on your annual salary. You can still get your desired pre paid and if it's more expensive get that montly health fee deduced.

I want to state that my city, Rosario, have had the socialist party at the helm for the last 15 years, they invested heavily in the health system and they recently won the State elections, besides their party, they are more Capitalist than you would think, it's the way some things are done what makes them Socialist but they are certainly not communists.
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Our current health care system may not be perfect but it is still one of the best in the world! Our insurance companies on the other hand would have to be close to the bottom! I just do not believe that the government can make either one better.They will probably make a huge mess of it. If the demms want to pay for people who do not work insurance than let them with their own money.I am not rich or poor or have great insurance but I work hard for what I have and so should everyone that is mentally and physically able! If we quit giving all of these handouts to people I think that they will find a way to survive.I am not trying to pi-- anyone off, it is just my opinion(right or wrong)
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Why doesn't Obama just say he is going to better fund Medicaid and make it available to more people? That would, essentially, do the same thing, but that does not sound as nice as "Universal Health Care." Or maybe he does not want to link his social health program to a failing social health program.

DeepCreek is right about the scary majority the left would have if Obama wins. He also left out the fact that the next president will also appoint 2-3 supreme court judges. Now all three branches of the government will be full blown democrat. So much for checks and balances.
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If the majority of the people believe that health care is a "right", then we are in serious trouble because you will have the majority of people voting to have the government paying for this so called right.
A right that is not guaranteed to us in the constitution.
I do not believe that health care is a "right" anymore than I think we have a right to housing, transportation, food and clothing.
The only "right" I have is freedom.
If you want to make health care a right for everyone, then you have to take away our freedoms.
As far as fixing our health care system to make it more affordable for more people, that could be another topic.
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whats making it not affordable is the offset costs for the uninsured, anyway you look at it the uninsured are being paid by the insured, our high premiums through the insurance companies are paying the tab. A family on the edge shouldnt have to pay 700 to 800 a month for healthcare, and ***************ty coverage at that
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How many have considered this...if Obama were to be President, he wouldn't qualify for security clearance to be his own bodyguard.
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Greg, "if" interesting choice of a word lol
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wow...you guys are tough. I just wanted to comment on a few of the things I found humorous. My boss gives us first day of deer season off - paid - because we all hunt. "His" choice and freedom to do so, as "he" pays our wages. My fiance is in the military. Seems like there is a paid holiday at least every other week. Who pays their wages? He is Military/Government...Health care is another issue:when faced with a serious health issue, it's great having options. You usually have several hospitals to choose from, as well as many doctors under company insurance. I like that option. I like having choices. A few years ago, we did have to make choices regarding a serious health issue and I would hate to think of not being able to go where we decided and to the doctors we chose. Our society has become sue happy, the criminals are innocent until proven guilty - even if you witnessed the crime. Welfare has become a way of life for many. Many of our children are not being raised to work hard and to earn what they make.I do not like politics (or politicians). I know who I am voting for and I know where I am going to vote. But...can we have a do over?

I do agree that there is alot of racial tension stemming from this election. We have local high schools rioting. At what point does it stop?
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Im in no way defending or endorsing anyone here, just putting out some media driven accusations, he is half white and why dont we call him a Honkie? he is what america is made of, Im a pollock and consider myself an American first which i think he does, I dont think he sits home at night and thinks to himself well what am i or maybe he does....tommorow I'll be a honky and Saturday I'll be a n-,
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