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Are you sure the rotor is seated correctly. Must be in slot all the way on shaft

Also check coil wire. Could have pulled out of the coil a little.
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I'm assuming it ran before the tune-up? And the engine is turning over, just no fire?

It's gotta be something simple. My humble advice would be to double check everything you just did then check for spark again at the plugs.

If no spark at plugs... check for spark at coil wire and go from there.

Just my 2 cents and I'm no expert.

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i just took the cap off again, i could hear the spring loaded part that touches the rotor become compressed so i know it's touching the rotor. i'm pretty sure the rotor is on right. it's all the way down.


just checked the coil wire again too and it is metal to metal.

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yes, it ran before... last summer.

so just hook a plug up to the coil wire hookup on the distributor to see if i have spark?
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Yes hold the plug with the coil wire attached close to an engine ground (1/8" or so), turn it over, and check for spark.

That's how I've done it. But again I'm no expert.

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i plugged a spark plug into the middle of the distributor cap, no spark. i even turned the lights off in my garage to be sure i would see it.
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Remove it from the cap and plug it into the coil, that long round black thing and try it again.............Boat dr
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Maybe I'm miss reading this, but if you put your plug in the middle of the distributer cap, you just unhooked the coil. Probably just not understanding your terminology
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sorry, bout that. okay, going to go hook a spark plug into the coil. i'll report back in 3 minutes.

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ok this is weird as hell to me. during cranking the engine i see no spark, but just as the engine stops cranking i see it spark once or twice.
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Maybe this will help...

Ignition Coil Test

   1. Disconnect the ignition coil output wire at the distributor cap.
   2. Connect a spark plug to the end of the ignition coil output wire which you just disconnected.
   3. Connect a ground wire to the threaded portion of the spark plug.
   4. Disconnect the ignition coil ground wire from the negative terminal on the coil .
   5. Connect one end of a ground wire to the ignition coil negative terminal.
   6. Turn the ignition switch to the ON position.
   7. Tap the other end of the ignition coil ground wire jumper on an good grounding point and look for sparks at the spark plug that correspond to the frequency of your tapping of the ground wire.
   8. If you have a good spark at the spark plug, the ignition coil is good.
   9. If you don't get a good spark, check for approximately 12 VDC from the coil positive terminal to ground with the ignition switch in the ON position. You should also get approximately 12 VDC from the coil negative terminal to ground

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ok, i think my battery is getting weak.....
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Well that's the first thing... make sure your battery is good and charged.
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phospher , wish you were closer......
Are you sure the points are "BREAKING"
You should have a .020 break when the points arm is on top of the cam......
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boat dr, that language is chinese to me. breaking? i did replace both belts today too...

my boat has been converted to electronic ignition too, in case that helps.
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Waiting to here if what joed posted works for you. Good Luck!!!!!!!
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i had to run out and buy a battery charger but when i got home and checked out the manual it says "not recommended for delco voyager" and i have a AC delco voyager 720mca. my battery has a little eye on it and it's still green, and cranking.. i can't believe it's still cranking. at any rate i'll try tomorrow. i've been working on the boat pretty much all day and night and am very frustrated.


could the ignition coil just go bad over winter? i don't think it's all that old, it's a petronix flame thrower.

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I dont know guys, do these rotors have the metal piece at the bottem for the pick-up? maybe the wrong rotor? ...he converted, I dont know the Fords real well but with the chevy's i had a bad pick-up last week and these guy's (boat owner) replaced EVERYTHING but the pick-up, they even bought 2 coils and still thought it was the coil. it really is hard to diagnose this stuff without being there usually it is always something very simple or overlooked
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Phil,

Which distributor do you have?

If you have the prestolite with clip-down cap... the rotor may be the issue. I have that distributor and when I upgraded to Pertronix, the kit included a rotor as well. I don't have the documentation handy but something about the "stock" rotor might not work for some reason.

If this is the case try putting your old rotor back in and see if it solves the no-fire problem.

Let us know. I know how frustrating this can be, but bear with this group. You'll get it figured out.

Good luck!

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thats the first thing that popped in my head was the rotor, ive been there and did that, not seating the rotor all the way,wrong parts, bad tachs shorting the coil, forgeting to re-connect wires, *************** happens to all of us...many countless and payless hours trying to figure this crap out. i d*cked with a boat for 3 days on an issue like this, got the boat in the water go to fire it and the same GD thing happened, the crew was ready to fish the cooler was full and they looked at me like i was an idiot. went to the parts store for my third coil and the old timer behind the counter knew the engine and said try removing your tach wire from the coil, sure as *************** we were fishing within the hour. thank god for old timers
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hey,

the rotor did look a little bit different then the one i took out.....


i'll try and re-swap the old one back in. i'll report back again..

thanks gents.
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BINGO! you called it wrong rotor. put the old one back in turned the key, saw spark and wanted to fire up on 7 cylinders.

question is, where do i get a new rotor?


thanks so much. just made my day.
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simple and overlooked, good to hear you got it going, good call Joed

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Phil,

Great!!!

Where to get the new rotor? Good question. I need to find one too, cause I'm planning a tune up also. I got my EI conversion kit from

Vintage Performance

I'm going to contact them tomorrow and I'll keep you posted. Let me know if you find out anything on your end please.

Also... you stated firing on "all 7 cylinders".    Uhh... what happened to the 8th?

Glad you got it started.

Have fun.

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7 just because i had one plug out so i could see the spark....

i just brought her to the lake and let it run for a few minutes, seems to be running good.. started right up and seemed to be very responsive. i did have a little water leak where i put the raw water pump back together after replacing the impeller, maybe i need to make it a little tighter?
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Ok... good, glad to hear it's running well!

I'm not sure what raw water pump you have. I have a Johnson. If it's similar... you have 2 possible places for leaking.

1. The front plate gasket. Just tighten it up if the gasket is seated right and in good condition.

2. The rear seal. If it's leaking "behind" the pump the rear seal may need to be replaced.

Is it leaking bad, or just dripping a little bit.?

You going skiing today? Where do you live?

Cheers.

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no skiing yet, only the boat launch area is thawed. the rest of the lake is all slush... but hopefully next weekend we should be good. i live in wisconsin near milwaukee.

ok, water pump...
just leaking a little bit doesn't seem to be leaking by the o-ring.

it's a sherwood. i replaced the rubber o-ring, but between the plate and the actuall pump there was a paper gasket, it was all jacked up so i didn't put that back. make sense?

if i make it any tighter i think i'll strip the bolt head.
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I'm not familiar with the Sherwood Pump, but I'd guess if there was a gasket there to begin with, you'll need a new gasket to stop it from leaking. You didn't get a new gasket with the Impeller? In a pinch you could probably use some RTV Sealant, but a new gasket would be the best route.

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nope, when i bought the new impeller it only came with the o-ring gasket.
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