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Sebastian, the ones you linked to before are VDO Ocean Line gauges. The faces are very similar to our originals, but the bezel and plastic face covering are very different. You could either try to disassemble it and put on your old bezel/face or go with a different gauge that has a slightly different face but the same bezel as the originals. The only catch is that I *believe* this is an automotive gauge, so you may need to swap the sender. Egauges sells both:

Ocean Line (3501153):



Cockpit White (350-240):

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kapla Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March-05-2009 at 5:00pm
The second one is the ones we have on our boats is that right?
they are not at egauges?
i think they have them on both 240ohms-33 (is our case) and the automotive ones... but I migth be worng...
anyway I still have the harware from the old gauge so it can be switch...
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yeap that cockpit one is automotive...the OL is at our ohms range...
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Summit had a better picture, but egauges sells both. Neither have the exact same face as the original, but the OL is closer (oil can symbol). The Cockpit White has the same bezel as original at least and would not require modification.
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but new sender is required though

I think I have a supplier here in argentina who carries them.. check this out note price is in argentine pesos the rate is $1 us = $3.65 pesos argentinos
I`m gonna check out if they fit my requirement and if they carry them in white face...

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I would still lean towards the automotive gauge- Im not exactly sure how easily the VDO's can be disassembled. The bezel and face will look pretty out of place if you dont swap them! I would imagine that the automotive sender would be pretty cheap and locally available.
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I stopped by at this supplier to see the gauges.. no vdo but they had this uflex gauges.. but it was in bars.. the max would be 5 bars= 72.5 psi... it works with the 240-33 ohms but it supossed to match up with a 5kg (71psi) sender..

Can it work? or the pcm sender works in a higher psi ranger?
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As long as the gauge and sender are matched (it sounds like they are) then they should work fine together.
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What are your engine pressure readings at idle, cruising and wot?

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I went yesterday to pickup the unfixed gauge from this guy who was supposed to fix it...
I think he didnīt even took the job of openning the damn gauge!!! So I dissasemble it as my idea was to use the face and needle in a new gauge i was going to buy. But I think I found the problem, one of the coil wires was loose marked with the red arrow


So I welded it again... hope fix the thing....
Let you know the result when I set the bilge plug back in the boat...
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Sebastian, how hard was it to remove the bezel? Did the face come off just by removing the 2 small screws? Did the needle come off too or did you have to sneak the face past it somehow?
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the hardest part is removing the black metal ring of the face. you have to do it carefully with a little flat hear screwdriver, try not to hurt the plastic bezel. when that off the iner white ring and glass are out. Then to remove the needle just pull it carefully until it pops off. the face its easy just unscrew the 2 screws that attaches it to the assy.
Then if you want to remove the mechanism out of the bezel, the Signal and positve terminals are kind of heat welded to the platic bezel so try moving them with a plier to release them. The ground just unbolt the little nut and you are set!!!
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Ah to remove the black ring you have to work it from the back of the bezel as it has a lip. I hope you got it!!!!
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:


The typical gauge has two coils in them creating the magnetic push-pull on the needle. Sounds like one of them is "open" meaning a break in the coil winding so with no current going though it, it won't create the proper magnetic field which pins the needle.


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Now you can go into the gauge repair business!! Hopefully it's as simple as this broken wire to the one coil. Since you've got some experience now ohming out the sender, get out the meter again and see if you can get some readings off the two coils in the gauge. I don't know what resistence you should get but at least you can check for continuity on your soldering job.


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Sounds relatively simple Seb- thanks for the description! Ive got some bezels and faces to swap around and Ill probably have to order that $$$ hour meter, but I should have just about everything I need to reassemble a new dashboard. I dont even want to think about how much it will have cost me in the end!
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I would suspect that the wire got broke when the post was turned to free it up, 30-45 gauge wire breaks extremely easy but maybe you got luck.

Before you put it all back together get the ohm readings and make sure it's not shorted to the pole pieces as well if you get any continuity at all it's shorted. Basicly you want to measure across both ends of the wire for each coil, aka start and finish of the coil winding which you should have two seperate curcuits.
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Seb,
Don't forget that you still have the option to bench test before you go the trouble of putting it back in the boat. When trying to figure out your sender problem, I mentioned that you can run to the electronics supply and get a couple of 100 ohm resistors. Using a 12V power supply (a battery charger is fine) and the resistors in series with the gauge will indicate if your repair worked. No resistor will peg the needle. 1 resistor will give you about half scale reading and both resistors in series will give you a near zero gauge reading.


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so installed it, and test drive it... it worked ok... at first it was a little stiff mabe case it was out of service such a long time but then it started to move more evenly.. readind are 40 psi at idle and then around 60-70 while cruising depending throtlenow i have all my gauges working nicely...I need to replace the ligth bulbs from two of the gauges, do you know which kind to buy?
also to figure out the ground problem as when i turn on the navigation ligths some of the gauges start reading more than they should...
   
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keep us updated with the outcome of your gauge...
mine is now working fine...
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