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eric lavine
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Lets be fair here, Nafta was officially signed on Dec, 17th 1992 by HW, and supported by 132 rep. and 102 Demmys. it was made law under Clintons short term in office which he introduced clauses to protect the American worker on Nov 17th 1993...the wheels were rolling and it became a law.
same *************** is happening with Obama, getting the blame dropped on him already in his 30 days in office |
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Waterdog
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WMD WAS used in Iraq ;over 300,000 Kurd's in the north WERE gas poisoned. Maybe it was all used up, maybe it was smuggled out of the country, maybe the rest is hidden under a rock, maybe we'll find it , maybe we won't BUT don't discount the inocent people that WERE murdered.
I don't know why we fight for one cause and let people suffer inhumanly in other place's. Thousands of people are being slottered in Africa and it dosen't even make the news. |
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eric lavine
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now if sand were a commodity we surely would care, why is that dog, people are being slaughtered in Africa and we turn the other cheek, dont feel for one minute it was because Sadaam was gasing the Kurds, I hope your feelings arent because we are a kinder gentler nation...5 years earlier we were supplying the region with arms to fight the Russians....im sure there was some poisenous gas in the Cache
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eric lavine
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keep in mind not to long ago we dropped a couple of firecrackers on a small island in the Pacific, does that make us any better?
sorry, but you have to look at things from a different perspective sometimes |
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eric lavine
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and i bet those 55 gallon drums say Dow Chemical on them.....
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Waterdog
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Eric,
I have a wonderful dog. I found on the side of the road all beat up 5 years ago.I want to kick the guy's butt that did that. I can't save them all ,and it breaks my heart. We as a country can no longer be the worlds police officer, but we can choose our battles more carfully. I don't think much - if any - of this modern war is right.It REALLY Tee's me off to think that ONE American has died in vain. Iran IS the next big thing. Gassing the Kurd's is WMD isn't it. We were in a race with Japan at the end of WW II . We got the A-bomb JUST befor Japan could get Bio bombs to our west coast. They had the weapons but didn't have the delevery system. |
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eric lavine
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so is a machete in a gorilla's hands, they kill for the same reason, as Hitler did... we could put a spin on it anyway we want to, we do it, they do it, its all the same...we should just be glad it doesnt happen in our back yard
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eric lavine
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I read through this stuff the next day and shake my head, sometimes the beer does the talking, to reiterate, i fly American flags and only American flags, I support any decision the President makes and he makes those decisions for a reason, right or wrong, rethug or demmy, he is still the leader. sometimes things are not what they seem, sometimes you are told what to believe to justify a cause for popularity, its a cruel world and we are on the list. my dis claimer for being anti-american lol
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Nautiquehunter
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I don't think you can say Hitler killed for the same reason the US does. For what ever reason we went to Iroc we have not had any attacks here since. Our military is sworn to protect us and they have. As for Obama he didnt get us into this no more than GW got us into the .com burst. The problem I have with his first 30 days is instead of addressing the economy he is using it as a smokescreen to get his socialist agenda through before he is found out. Obama is just like Jessie Jackson he has never started ran or finished anything and became a millionaire doing it. Tax the rich sounds good untill they fire you to pay the increase tax. |
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eric lavine
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I would never condone what Hitler did or say we kill for the same reason, im not blind to the fact that we do kill for different religous beliefs and even pushing democracy on a region that is not ready for democracy. we are trying to make someone think like we think and colateral damage is involved in the process, its a part of life. i always analize things and put myself in the place of the peoples soil we are stepping on and think to myself what would I do? i would be fin PO'd.
Give the man a chance, I can tell what side of the fence your from, I was relieved when he was elected because maybe it will keep the baby from crying and get on with things, I was sick of the rich getting richer and the middle class disolving into poverty, GD I was even ready for Hillary just for the sake of seeing this country thrive again. Im as American as you can get and would do for it if i was asked too. right or wrong |
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eric lavine
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I meant you are from the repubby side, not from the racist side and i hope you take it that way
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BuffaloBFN
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Riley
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Good story, Greg.
Eric, I like the guy and want him to succeed, but I'm already seeing stuff I don't like. 1) They're not removing the penalty for IRA withdrawls. How many middle class had to tap their IRAs this year to pay the bills? I bet a lot. 2) The mortgage bailout is bypassing FNMA's charter and not having an appraisal requiremnt. They claim they are not going to finance more than 105% of the home, but how are they going to maintain any LTV without an appraisal. Also, all the people that qualify to have their mortgages re adjusted are now what are sub prime borrowers. So FNMA is goping to hold sub prime paper at A paper rates and it will be bundled with A paper conventional mortgages. Sounds like dejavu all over again. 3) All this borrowing is already raising rates. |
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phospher
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The article not so good.... The comments much better; "I wish I could say this to your face, and I hope you track back to see if anyone (me) responded to your comments in response to mine. I am a producer, have co-owned a business with my wife for over 25 years. I am well above the seven-figure income, and could probably hire your ass. And fire your ass. I have employed over 300 people in the past 25 years, and have only fired any one of them for failure to work. As another commenter noted, I am smart enough to have calculated my taxes in five-year budget projections. Still make money, because I am smart enough (masters from Emory University) to stay ahead of the curve. Am also former military, in service for 4 years. Never deployed, thankfully, to a war zone. But I know my brethren, and they aren't you. You are elitist, self-decieved and arrogant jerks who spout off Boortzisms because you can't think for yourself. All CEO's are not corrupt crooks; I am a CEO, have a great loving family, two sons who want to emulate me, and employees who are like my family. I have taken reduced salaries to make the payrolls of those who worked hard with character. It's you guys who don't have a clue. Rudeness, crudeness, callousness and self-serving elitism are not what makes this country great. Compassion for others is not weakness...the courage to have compassion is strength. Go join your rude, self-serving self-important idiots...you deserve each other." |
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Riley
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How about we sell Alaska to the Chinese for enough money to get us out of this mess and pay off the national debt? We could put them on an easy payment plan.
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BuffaloBFN
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Phos, I don't see where that comment relates to the article/letter at all. Whoever that was simply hates Boortz...which is not uncommon. Maybe the guy voted for BO?!!?
I just can't do this on a boat site anymore...especially after the river trip. My parting words on this are from my grandfather..."If you sign on to work for a man, then you should always do your best; for him and for you, and always remember whose job it is." |
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eric lavine
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if anyone should be crying about taxes its me, I know im gonna get clipped for more in the future, but damn i wouldnt trade that for any other spot on this earth, I do have a tendency to over analize..havnt you noticed Doritto bags have shrunk or a box of cereal is skinnier, damn even the small Frosty has shrunk at Wendy's, I love this country i just hate the deception and being lied to. it seems to be common place nowadays and i look at Obama and say hey maybe this time for once someone is not lying to my face, some decisions he makes may not be popular which alot what he says i dont like, but for once, just once maybe im not being lied too
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eric lavine
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I didnt forget about the 11.5 ounce Labatts coming out of Canada either lol
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harddock
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[QUOTE=Riley] How about we sell Alaska to the Chinese for enough money to get us out of this mess and pay off the national debt? We could put them on an easy payment plan.[/QUOTE
I bet they (Chinese) will drill for the oil. |
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86BFN
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Don't count on it Eric! Time will tell, of course by then it will be to late. |
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Nautiquehunter
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I think you have me wrong again I am not a rep
or a dem just a independent thinker from Chicago. I can see you want a honest politician who doesn't? I have to tell you there are none in Chicago. I think we will have to wait and see what Obama will do. If he is who you think he is I will be the first to say how wrong I was about him. So far he has done everything I thought he would and more. I think he will find running for president is more fun than being held accountable for his actions as president. Its good to be optimistic but I know where he comes from and what he has done maybe he has changed I'M just not seeing it. |
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eric lavine
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I found a good out to change the topic before it got heated, im exposed to vets at the VA hospital and im a damn good listener and for some reason these guy's open up to me, these are guy's on the front lines from Vietnam on up till now, one of my good friends even was a Marine guard at the whitehouse and was with Reagan on up until Clinton but does keep his mouth shut about things and i pry and pry and he ends the conversation, he just tells me you dont want to know, its not what you think.
Ive been through a couple of cycles of the economy and took quite a beating in the last few years and from reading so has everyone else. Greg mentions it may not be appropriate on a boating site but in reality it does, it effects everything, gas shoots up to 4.00 a gallon, CC is only making 2 boats a day, will we make it to GL this summer because the funds are a little low, it all relates and maybe you may read something here that will change the direction in your feelings towards a certain topic. I would hope if we ever sat around a table swigging some beers we would be more inclined to talk about other things than boats...its America, we have the right too I respect anyones religion and beliefs on government, it may change my mind |
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critter
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First opportunity for change was to present a budget that did not represent a larger deficit than the previous administration.
Example, he was left a $1.3 trillion deficit. His 2010 budget blueprint is $1.7 trillion deficit. I do not understand him complaining about the deficit he was left when his own budget only increases it. Agreed that 2011 will be better as that is when the tax increases go into effect. But that does not explain the increased deficit in his 2010 budget. |
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eric lavine
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I wonder how many times Obama and Blogo shook hands? why cant we all think like Spicoli..
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eric lavine
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this is a sign of the times, my friend brought over some Porterhouses and im sitting here trying to remember the last time i bought 3-14.00 steaks, use to be every weekend, im heading to the store and maybe i might even step up to a 12 of Bud, pretty bad when the celebration is about a steak. I thought it was funny
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Nautiquehunter
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Sorry for the rant I lost my job to the economy
in Jan just feeling angry I guess. New job maybe starting in march. One thing is for sure NO talking politics at GL I just want a nice boating weekend with some new friends |
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BuffaloBFN
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Sorry for your loss Michael.
Eric, why don't you just call? I'll knock it around with you. |
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harddock
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Well as for this being the right place one must understand that some of us on March 1 are still welcoming snow, not spring. I go out to the garage everyday and say hello to the Nautique, and the Harley only to turn, say goodbye and go back inside to more politics on TV. It's been a long cold and political winter So if we've come to the point where we come here to vent so be it. We all can agree to disagree and still have fun together on the water.
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eric lavine
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Greg, why call when i know how to pull your ass into the conversation lol, it really is all in fun, now if you talk about my Momma...
happy march 1st |
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eric lavine
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Nautique, consider me a friend
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