Inspiring confidence?

My concern is that the gorvernment already is in the health care business with medicare which will go broke in 2019. It is financed by taking down payments from customers who are not yet eligable and paying it out to those who are . In private buisness (which is regulated) this is called a ponzi scheme and is illegal. I do not want to hand over 17% of our national economy to be screwed up in this maner. In this country we have rights, based on inherant god given rights from birth. They do not give us the right TO anything just the right to be free of having things taken from us by force. It is up to us to pursue our rights. We have the right to PURSUE life liberty and happiness and not have them taken from us once we achieve them. There is no guareenty of health care in our constitution. I love my health care. Do not %$#* with it.

I think when you say everyone have access to HC you are correct, lets say a bean picker breaks his arm, he goes to the ER, they x-ray it, its broke, no insurance...they set his arm put a cast on it and send him on his way...on the other hand Joe the plumber walks in with the same break, Aetna insurance no deductibles, the Doc orders a MRI, 40 x-rays, sets him up in a room overnight, in the morning the surgeon walks in, advises him we need to do surgury and were going to have to put pins in the arm, after a month or so we'll pull the pins and you will need therapy......Oh yeah here is a script for some percs for the pain.
thats what re-form is about
quit thinking Blue or Red, everyone has access to coverage but it is biased coverage and maybe thats what is not understood here

When the government dictates the pay to doctors there will be less doctors. Every year their insurance, offices and training costs go up and the reinbursment rate doesen't. Eventually they retire early, and the incentive for people that have to spend $300,000 to become doctors will diminish.

Oh yeah, HC is a business. A business that saves lives, but none the less a business. What is wrong with them making money. Really rediculous comparison coming, but how would you feel if BO decided that everyone was entitled to a boat and FFM could only charge 10/hr to fix the boats? Probably would not be worth it, would it?

First of all, the Average American wont pick beans because it is below them, if they did we would have to pay them 20.00 per hour.
believe it or not everyone is entitled to coverage, walk into a hospital with no coverage and you will be treated, pretty black and white and i think you fail to see that. I suppose you also have a problem with the Draft also? is that entitlement?
BO is putting the politics aside, he has nothing to benefit, this world works on "how am I going to benefit?"
I would bet my life if he said in this bill with reform it will be law because of the savings you will automatically get 3.00 dollars more an hour in your paycheck, every mudslinger would be fighting to be first in line.
it works in other countries, thats why Foriegn cars are cheaper than US made, it may not be a perfect bill but its a step in the right direction, everyone always throws in a spin because it doesnt benefit them and will try and find the downfalls.
how is it the Pharmacutical companies have 80 billion lying around for the cause?

if you read earlier, the insurance companies do regulate part of our business, and thats why the premiums are lower, they dont regulate the marine industry and thats why its a field day but there is not enough volume to regulate it....

Harddock, you know they are not the same kind of book, and they were not written by the same guy.

Free tickets!

Dems vs. Blue Dogs

Gotta luv it.

Luchog wrote: it's somekind of funny when some quote the constitution as a holly book, you have to consider it was written like 200 years ago... pretty different world and expectations then dont you think?

The bible and constitution share characteristics that I admire. In my mind I believe they both were devinely inspired. Both are based on principles that do not change over time. Society has let go of a lot of standards but that does not mean the old standards are wrong. It might mean that we have lost site of what really matters. Water pouring over a dam slowly erodes it. Does that mean it really should be lower? or should it be re-inforced and built back up because when it was new it was good and right. Both of these documents are timeless. we just need to find a way to apply them in modern times. Keeping principles in todays circumstances can be very difficult and make a person unpopular. Most bend to assume societal norms. Myself I aspire to meet the higher standard. Admittedly i fail often, but that does not mean I will stop trying.In this respect I say keep it original.

im standing outside looking in, my wife has Migraines and its been 2 years of Bullsht, now shes talked into the Chiropractor twice a week for her neck causing the headaches, 60 bucks a crack out of pocket and i shake my head. this is after 3 cat scans, the very best 3 day treatment at the clinic, is that why its called practice? it is, if i practiced what i did i wouldnt be in business very long.
im not saying the Bill is the answer, i really think when something is way out of control, not a little, its time someone steps in and gets ahold of the situation and starts to put caps on things and creates incentives to heal the problem and not prolong it and soak the patient.
If you can convince me in a post that there is not a problem with the system i will glady read every word you have to say and reason with you. but for now there is a problem in your profession and it needs to be fixed.....thats why the government wants to step in. right now i have absolutely no control of the bills that keep rolling in for practiced medicine

Please do not take offence at my opinion. My wife has be disabled due to severe gastrointestinal problems for the last 25 years (over 7 major surgeies just on her stomach). There has never been a time that I was not paying outstanding medical bills and having to pay them off by making payments each month and I would much rather pay those bills each month than to have a government run healthcare.

I would disagree with you that my profession is the problem. The problem is multi-leveled including irresposnible people.

If we as Amercians want to continue to get top quality health care and not have government control what we get and and when and not have everyone's children pay for it then I suggest you not support this bill and let your representative know that. This bill will only create more problems with the system. (Have you ever had to deal with medicare, I have, a lot) it is no fun. By the way medicare is already 63 trillion in the hole. Most people my age, middle aged, will not get medicare benifits.

All you have to do is look at Hawaii, they tried this same type of system for 7 months and had to shut it down becuase it was about to make the state go bankrupt. Also look at Mass. they are having the same problem. The cost for that states system is already 3 times what they expected it was going to cost.

The bottom line is anything our career politicians get their hands on they screw it up and this will be no exception.

I am not trying to make you not support this bill. I think we all need to be informed. I would bet if you read 100 pages of this bill it will be more than most of our so called represenatives have read. Is that really the way you want bills passed?

Great discussion.

By the way I just got my first CC yesterday. I will be posting it in the diary section soon. It is a 1970 Barracuda. Can not wait to hit the water.

This is a great forum.

Safe Boating

Chris, Good job jumping into these forums with both feet, congrats on the 1970 Barracuda, enjoy it while the V-8 is still legal. Of course if they extend the clunker rebate to boats you might make a profit. You have an nice boat there and a nice resource here. welcome. Dave.

Eric, I do not want to beat you up, I have to much respect for your knowlege and passion,I just feel we are at a tippingpoint in time and we are about to cross a line that we cannot return back over. Medicine is a buisness that should take care of itself through supply and demand. Our government has seen fit to interfear with this processand dictate who must be covered and what they should get covered. They also dictate that medicare patients(the ones they pay for) get the same high level of care at prices around 50 Cents on the dollar. You and I then supplement these costs by paying more for our services. add mandating paying for the newest drugs and treatments to be "Fair", and then outrageous legal liabilities and you create a mess that supply and demand cannot fix. Why not offer inexpensive basic packages for thaose with limited funds, The rich can then buy their premium packages and fund advancements for all of us. Government is directly to blame for at least 50% of the current mess, and that is with a private system . If we hand it over to government they will mess it up 100%,I am ok with improving the system, just not changing it for change sake, and making it worse in the process. Eric what would you think about torte reform. and not paying for elective care like viagra and lasic eye surgery?

Eric, The current system is not what is in play here. By asking us to examine the system you are asking us to fiddle while Rome burns. Our President whishes to ram this disaster through by fall, it is only the voices of reason that have slowed it down from August. We need to focus on stopping this massive government power grab now, and that will give us the opportunity to discuss what is both right and wrong with the current system. It is not right to take by force from you because I do not have it. Not food, not money, not a transmission, and not healthcare. That is stealing, plain and clear.People are good natured and will share their good fortune if given a chance. let them make their fortune and let them share volentarily, and let those that can earn learn the self satisfaction of providing fro them selves under tough circumstancess. I work in construction, own rental property and have an s-corp on the side. I raise three kids one 16 one 4 and one 2. I also go to school in a full time program at the University of Phoenix with no tuition assistance. My wife is a stay at home mom and we would not change that. I work hard and live check to check which sucks for a 47 year old guy but I made life choices that put me here and I am making choices to improve things. Recently work was slow and I was told to apply for unemployment. I said no, I do not believe in it. I passed handyman flyers around the nieghborhood and lined up a weeks worth of work in 24 hours so as not to burden society with my misfortune. I am proud of what I am doing in the face of adversity. Others should be allowed and maybe even forced to find out what they can do. Oh yea, I rebuilt a boat in the middle of this for fun. Now I am supposed to pay more taxes to help thase that are not willing to do what I do. Screw that. That is not what this country was built on, nore should it be built on anything less.

OverMyHead

A-freaking-men

The think the American people are beginning to wake up. Our government is absolutely OUT OF CONTROL.

If both the Cap and Trade and healthcare reform bills pass we are hosed for a long time.

Eric if you have a "broken wheel" to do immediately go out and try to find the most expensive wheel you can find or do you take time to try and get the best deal????