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kapla
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I did paint the engine!! while I was there today I checked ground. So I unhooked the engine ground cable and grinded the sitting area of the cable, so now it sit to the bare metal no paint there...I also grinded the cable terminal |
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WakeSlayer
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I was also curious about the paint causing a poor ground. I am in the middle of painting my engine and am taping off any connection points, or grinding them. Starter, block, etc.
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I did paint the engine!! while I was there today I checked ground. So I unhooked the engine ground cable and grinded the sitting area of the cable, so now it sit to the bare metal no paint there...I also grinded the cable terminal[/QUOTE] Now we wont know if it was the starter or the ground. Keep us posted and good job your getting close!!! |
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kapla
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I know LOL!!! i should have tried the before and after the grinding..But I had the shaft seal out so I could not put her in the water to fired up:..
Anyway starer needed some freshen up!!! I will also check wire terminal when all set to see any corrosion afecting them... |
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SNobsessed
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Sebastian - I have heard that di-electric grease applied over connections will keep them from corroding.
You might want to try that on your ground connection after you get it working, to keep it working. On your alignment - Is the strut aligned with the center of the log? You might want to check for that - see where the shaft naturally wants to be. I had to shim my strut to center up with the log. |
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kapla
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I´ll check that also...
Last time I was there I also noticed some oil leaking from the valve cover gasket!!! PITA to adjust them the exh manifold need to move out!!! I might leave it like that until I retoque the cylinder heads after some use...The cork might expand with the use and eventually stop leaking...Just as with the fuel pump leak that It stopped... |
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kapla
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Forgot to menction..hope its not bad: while the engine was idling and with the shaft not hooked to the tranny coupling, I noticed the coupling was slowly turning..very slow i mean...Is this normal?
hope not as I don´t have the mooth for a rebuilt right now..LOL |
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SNobsessed
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Sebastian - I think Eric calls that a dirty neutral. Mine does that too. I am not going to fix it anytime soon.
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I have always heard that the coupler turning very slowly while in neutral and at idle was expected behavior.
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Luchog
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Yes it's common, now when you get the shaft back it wont because the shaft/prop will create some load.
A dirty neutral is when the shaft turns so that it will move the boat. |
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Kristof
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Mine does the same. Even when in the water, at idle the shaft turns very very slowly. Same comment as SNobsessed: no fix planned anytime soon.
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Whenever yall send those dirty neutrals to Eric, you'll be pleased with what comes back!
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kapla
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Just came from working on the boat..good news I finally alligned..I have .002 diference top to bottom wich according to the manual its within specs...shaft turns freely by hand and evan all the turn...so I guess its done...
Now the bad news I´m still stucked with the starting problem (not ignition related) The starter was freshen and cleaned, the leads were replaced.. but Its still not working as it should. Boat started with some slow turns and was there for 5 minutes until it stopped..then warm impossible to get it started again. Even with two bateries no moves..Engine its very compressed I guess ..clue less. Tried to move the engine by the crak and it was stucked I feared..then removed all the plugs to see if I could move it and yes it turned freely even with the small leverage I had from the wrench.. Tried to crank it like that with the battery and even like that it would not turn...So now I took the starter again for a full rebuilt (re-do the copper coil) also took the cables to have them welded as the terminal are not that tight!! And finally I will get a new battery... I tried retarding the ignition but did not affect the cranking... I´m pissed... Hope I can solve this ASAP... |
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Do you have new battery cables(wires)?
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kapla
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Nop but might cahnged them..the inner copper in the actual ones looks right,,but tthe terminal were a little rusted..
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I know I replaced my starter when it would crank really slow. That was it. Good luck!
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I would want to chance it also but the only chance of a new one is have one sent from the US...10 days at least to have it here!!! And I want my boat now!!!
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How much more would it cost to get one from the states than to have one rebuilt twice? You would know then that every thing is new from top to bottom. Just a thought.
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kapla
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One new sent from the US would turn out costing me around $450-500
I also was quoted from a dealer $830!! against 80-150 for the rebuilt twice!! I think i´m choosing the rebuilt..any way In the worst case I can pay that money If I gone that far in the rebuilt that 500 will not ruin the 5k I put in that engine so far...(I should have ordered a new starter from the begining alond with the ignition retrofit). Now I talked to a mechanic friend that services some PCM engines and he happens to have in his shop a 96 gt40 engine that belongs to the local ski federation. And offered to borrow me starter of the engine while mine is being rebuilt. Only difference it has the newer style starter which is more compact and has a 2 wire hook up. Just hanged up with Eric about the fit of that one on my engine and he assured me it would go... BTW NICE TALKING TO YOU ERIC!!! Now in the case i take that one for testing how should I run the wires to make it provisional until I get the old one? thaks Kapla |
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Luchog
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Kapla are you sure that engine is a GT40??? last time Vito tried to sell me those he told me they engines were GMs.
There's not sense on getting a new starter, have yours completely rebuild it will end up the same, at least mine did. |
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Just for test, you could put an auto starter on it. Don't leave it that way though!!
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kapla
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I guess they are form gt40, if they were GM I now they won´t fit. The starter anyways Its being rebuilt but If I could get a borrowed one for the weekend.... Chris: No cars with that kind of starter around here!!! |
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SN206
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I'm sure someone who knows is following this thread, but in the older natiques, what was the difference between a auto and marine starter?
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anthonylizardi
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I think reverse rotation is the major problem. I know on my buddy 97 MC I put a car starter but that one was not a reversed rotation.
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As I said to Eric on the phone: if it gets to a point I can no longer accept it, it'll be in a crate on its way to "Fantastic Finish Marine" faster than you can say "I-got-a-problem-with-my-tranny-lets-send-it-to-the-tranny-man-in-ohio!"... |
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kapla
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well I have the rebuilt starter, new battery and new terminals for the cables...going tomorrow to put everything in place..wish me luck...i'll report back...
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Good luck kap,your getting real close to done.
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SN206
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My bets is if that thing cranks and runs we won't here from Kap till late tonight!
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kapla
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She runs!!!!I was there today morning, put the starter the cables, new battery....put her in the water..turned the key...broooomm..like a champ..let it runs for 10 minutes..tuned off...started again..no problem starter now flyies....wow so i went for a ride..boat goes fine...very smooth..anyways I need to adjust some things..but is runing great....
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Congratulations!!! Merry Christmas, you must feel like a little kid. I know I would.
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