Respirator 101

My mask has 3M 6001 Niosh organic vapor cartridges.

Chill, Tim.

First off I apologize to the community for going off, but GottaSki started the offensive when he said I can't read for sh!t. Maybe he is a funny guy and if I knew him I might not get offended. But I don't know him and he does not know me, and that was offensive. He hijacked this thread with the first response being about pneumatic grinding under a garden hose. No mention of PPE at all. No appolgy to GottaSki for calling me out and hijacking this thread and taking it to the dark side.

79- I have been reading for a month on how to restring my boat. The best practices that the members of this site have set in place are remarkable. I have read many of your posts and you have great knowledge, but I don't appreciate your smart ass comment here either. I am cutting my stringers flush with the hull using a diamond wheel on a grinder. There is very little dust and my first stringer came out yesterday with the one cut along the base almost under the wood. I am a 33 year old father of 3 children and I intend to be around to take their children out in this boat. That is why I wanted to know the best practice for PPE while doing this project. ALL I WANTED TO KNOW IS WHAT FILTER TO USE SO THAT I AM PROTECTED FROM THE DUST. Your vote is a face shield and a dust mask. Thank you for answering the question.

Sorry I am still a bit hot and venting. I have read the method you describe using a sawzall. I have also read a lot of threads about how bad people itch after this kind of work, and putting baby powder on beforehand, and taping up sleeves and using multiple layers of glue to pull glass out of your hands. and how if you get it in your eye you can use a Q-tip dipped in vaseline to remove glass particles from your eye, and I have seen pictures of people wearing the same stuff I am, right here on this site. I worked in the restoration industry for years(like Eric's Serv-Pro) and took several courses on PPE pertaining mostly to body clean up(I worked Katrina), mold and and asbestos and we used the same masks Eric described for all of that. Never worked with any fiberglass there that was not insulation, and an N95 mask was appropriate PPE as was a tyvek cover-all for that material unless you like to itch and want to bring that back home to your family. It may not kill you right away but it is unpleasant stuff and to recommend to the general public to dig right in without careful evaluation of the risk factors is not good practice. I know you old timers used to do all kinds of crazy stuff and are still around to tell the tale. That does not make it right. We don't use the same materials to rebuild the boats because they were flawed and you found a better way. Maybe some of the old ways of protecting one's self could also be improved.

Until otherwise proved that this is overkill I will continue to use an N-99 or N-100 filter on my half face respirator while I am cutting or grinding but would use a full face if I owned one. Hell I would use that $462 machine if I had one. I am also a huge advocate of tyvek coveralls(generic brands work just as well) and gloves. You can call me a sissy if you want to, but I would rather be safe than sorry.

OK I am all cooled off.

at times after the fumes and a 12er, I caught myself grinding in my underwear

eric lavine wrote: at 12, I caught myself grinding in my underwear

This "wise one" started at a young age!

To each his own. I have done all my work thus far based on CCF recommendations as I had zero experience with this kind of work before I started restoring my 73 skier. You have contributed to my main "stringer thread" several times and have been very helpful and constructive over there. I value your knowledge and opinion, I just don't see why so much resistance to PPE. Emotionally charged resistance at that. Guilt maybe that you let everyone stand around and breath that stuff?

Yes you did get a rise out of me and that was unproductive- again I apologize for that. What I will not apologize for is bringing PPE and the dangers of fiberglass to the attention of the users on this site. If you can cut this stuff so clean that you are at zero risk than so be it- you are the man.

Most of us on this site are just average Joes who do not do this for a living and may not have access to all the cool toys you have. I am a web designer, not a mechanic. I can make my computer do things you have never even dreamed of yet, and on the flip side you know things about engines and boats that I could not even imagine. That is why us Joes are here- to learn from you. But maybe, just maybe, if you step down off of your Grand Poobah pedestal and listen, you could learn something from us too. Its not inconceivable.

79- If you feel the need to beat me up one more time to get your last word in. Feel free. I am done with this banter. It is not helping the CCF community learn how to protect themselves from fiberglass. I respect you and hope we can agree to disagree but I don't want to argue this point here on CCF anymore.

Peace

Keeganino wrote:    Guilt maybe that you let everyone stand around and breath that stuff? Not one bit, no one was ever in any danger of anything harmful since they would have had to have their face next to the blade to inhale the fiberglass. Guess if I would have used a method that made a cloud of dust, I would have stopped, but since it only went a couple inches away from the blade we didn't have to worry about any health issues that required PPE I can make my computer do things you have never even dreamed of yet, and on the flip side you know things about engines and boats that I could not even imagine. That is why us Joes are here- to learn from you. But maybe, just maybe, if you step down off of your Grand Poobah pedestal and listen, you could learn something from us too. Its not inconceivable. Considering I've been getting paid to sit in front and operate a computer for 25 plus years I doubt You'll be able to empress me with anything new but you never know. You where how old in 1984?

All's good It's fine your bringing to everyones attention the potential hazzards that can arise from using risky methodologies and that proper PPE should be used if you choose those types of methods we're all better informed now.

But us old timers are slow to learn new tricks or is it us old timers use less risky methods to minimize the risk like using water to control airborn hazzards while performing hazzardous tasks such as grinding fiberglass.

Everyone has their own safty level they are comfortable with some may feel it's over kill while others may think it's not enough. Others are afraid to touch a bathroom handle for fear of getting germs, others run and get flu shots because they're scared if they don't they'll get sick. While some may look at as a means to boost their immune system by being exposed to the dangers and having their body create and carry the antibodies needed to fight the bacteria and infections naturally. Everyone is different and have different opinions.

I've spent a few day's in a garage turning wrenches, spent a few days in cadavar labs helping doctors make surgery's easier and less evasive. I've spent a few days in front of a computer designing products used around the world, you never know what or who you'll find in an open forum like this so it's a little foolish to assume they are only knowledgable about one topic.

But really Chill a little all's good in CCF land.

It's all good. I agree it can be a danger in certain instances and PPE should be used but at other times using differnt methods the risk is greatly reduced and the need for PPE is not really warrented. Now if your laying up epoxy in the garage without an exhaust fan or even with one for that matter then if your not waring the proper PPE you might not come out with the same number of brain cells you did going in.

But hey just remember to check and turn off the power tools before you flip the breaker to reset it you got luck and don't let that grinding wheel get too close to your body if you catch an edge and it kicks that tyvek suit's not going to stop your leg or anything else from bleeding one member found that out the hard way.

P.S. I wish you could teach the other members how you post pictures because i can actually see them at work. Where I work the majorty of them get filtered out but yours don't. Take your time and ask questions just don't get bent out of shape if someone yanks your chain they're just messing around having fun it happens here all of the time.

I got lucky with that grinder incident! As for the pictures that is where I have a tool and knowledge most people don't- Photoshop and a sony 10.3 mp camera. Getting ready to upgrade to the latest CS4 extended version that includes video editing. Costs $1000 and the camera was about that too, but that is how I make a living so I have to have it. That is why I am trying to get by with the tools I have for my restoration. Unfortunately I don't have access to a compressor as I have heard the tools are way better, and cheaper, but I have everything else I need to get er done... well maybe.

Tomorrow I am removing my first main stringer. I did not have room on the secondary to get a sawzall under it so I used the grinder. I plan to use the sawzall for the main. Do I start at the gap at the transom and work towards the front? I think I read to use a 12 inch blade for flex? Any preference on the type of blade? Just for shiggles and giggles, has anyone ever tried a flush cut saw? I bought one to remodel my kitchen and am never going to use it again. Probably would have worked like a champ around the edge of the floor. Making buckets of dust!

79 any boob grabs in the morgue?

real men have grinding gouges across thier thigh,
Kee, i dont see any hurt in it if the body is still warm lol

I still have a big grinder from the 70's it takes about 30 seconds to get to full power, and 30 seconds to stop its a BMFR, you dont want to get in its way, it really scares the sht out of me when i use it

Yer right Clark what was I thinking doin all that readin? I diagnosed my stringer problem on January 11th with the boat in full working order and I am only to here so far. Next thing you know I'll be doin rithmatic.

now is the point where you say to yourself "why did it rot and what will prevent rot in the future"