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I was wondering If i could use the boat in this condition at leat to cruise around until the new unit arrives?
Its only slipping under heavy load, normal cruising is fine.

I plan on doing a fluid change anyway as it was in the schedule around these dates...
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well your in a predicament, we know the end result will be a new trans, some straight 40 weight would probably be the best route, and, I shouldnt say this, a half a can of trans sealer only to swell the seals a bit. this goes against everything i preach, but this may be a case to where it warrants the use of an additive to get you the 10 or so days you need until you get a new trans. the damage is done and you are replacing with new. using the 40 weight should keep the packs held. make sure you order a damper also
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Should have read this before..lol I replace the atf fluid and put some new one there....I took out 2 quarts, and in the bottom of the bottle you could see some tiny metal flakes, golden, so it brass. Put 2 quarts and went for a test...now its worst, it will go forward but once you want to give it plane it start slipping, then it engages slips etc....
On the damper plate, I put a new one when I did the engine back in 2009, and have put around 150hrs since...really need to put a new one again? if so the PCM is the one? pricey at $180, or you carry and alternate I could get from you?


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never heard of a tranny sealer lol is this the product?
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Kapla why not give it a try the damage is already done. I wonder what the brass/gold flakes are? Eric clutch pack or pump wear?

You have convinced me to go the same way if God forbid I ever have trans problems. Order a new unit from the US at least we have a free trade agreement with the US and the Australian government will only put a 10% consumption tax on the price. If it was marked as a gift they sneak through without. Have never heard of the warranty one though. Maybe worth a try though as giving my wife a transmission for the boat as a gift would be a worse idea than any tax the government could impose.
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Originally posted by lewy2001 lewy2001 wrote:

Maybe worth a try though as giving my wife a transmission for the boat as a gift would be a worse idea than any tax the government could impose.


Would it be wrong for her to give it to you?
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fooled many a Coast Gaurd inspectors with thicker oil, the brass in the bottem is from the slippage, try the thicker oil
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the thing about these drums cracking is with the return spring installed it will hold the hub into the drum tight and many a crack have been missed because of this, more than once guys have decided to rebuild (which some dont understand the term) they pull the trans, tear it down, new clutches, seal and gasket kit, re-assemble, take it to the lake with their buds, hit and smoke it again
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what may be happening to your trans is when you put the boat in forward the oil pressure in the drum spreads the crack and leaks, this goes back to the old pool theory I came up with a few years back, oil volume is down and the pressure drops, this would be considered an internal leak which some dont understand the meaning. like i said many times clutch plates do not wear, they need a reason and a good example would be the Caterpillar transmission I did, 30 years old digging its entire life with abusive operators, I could still read the etchings on the faces of the bronze plates and still see the blanche grind marks on the steel seperator plates and I opted not to replace the plates and savred the customer about 3k, Cat wouldve automatically replaced them
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this drum is a result of water in the oil, you can see the slop in the cast iron seal ring, the seal rings wear into the case and expand and it is impossible to remove the drum without breaking it, at this point normally i have to sleeve the case and install a new drum
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to clear up something, bottom, through, my sub conscience does my spellin
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I´m pulling the trigger tomorrow, but need to confirm something. Eric
you menction getting a new damper plate. The one I have now is only 180hrs old, was replaced 2 years ago when i rebuilt the engine. I really need to put a new one again?


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Let me venture an answer, but I dont think you'd need one, and in case you do, Bettiga sells some great ones with rubber bushings instead of springs, I think those are quite better but some machining might be required on the damper before install.
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well I ordered a new tranny along with a new cooler, impeller, some gaskets..and a new carb!
I should arrive here in 15-20 days....

To kill some time, i might go ahead and remove the tranny and take it appart to inspect its condition.

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Originally posted by kapla kapla wrote:



To kill some time, i might go ahead and remove the tranny and take it appart to inspect its condition.


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Yes, pull it apart and find out what's going on with it. We and I'm sure Eric would love to know.


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dont forget the steering cable!! It adds a tremendous sense of thrill to pull your barefoot runs!
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Luch, im having a prob now with the rubber bushing dampers, not me, but my customer, he removed the spring type and went with the bush type and is on his second one because of a noise, i believe his was spec'd wrong. the rubber or nylon can be the wrong material and be to hard for the application, so if you opt to go with a bushing, which i dont think you can with a PCM trans, then be careful
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your probably fine with 180 hours, but, use it as a spare?
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My buddy went nautique recovering after the lake delhi dam breach over this weekend...He found his old 92, the top shell was pretty much ripped off, still has some running gear, no carb but the tranny is there..I told him a I have friend in ARG that would love it...

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poor boat!
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Eric, I installed a rubber one in the Moomba, GM 350 and ZF45D, it has performed good so far, at least no complaints, I'd hate to pull that thing apart again...

We also installed one in a Volvo turbo diesel 160hp with a 280 leg.

The spring ones are getting scarce down here, where did your customer install it?
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on the back of the flywheel
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you asked, lol, its on a fishing boat I believe, the customer who did the install did say it was the replacement from Mercury, its a zf630a, which is gear to gear contact unlike the straight 450d,
it had a spring damper and was replaced with the rubber type as instructed from merc.
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I know the ZF dealer in Argentina is installing those... I will ask about the bushing hardness as Im working on a 4.3 conversion for inboard installation and we'd be putting another rubber damper.
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I guess you didnt like my joke
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Originally posted by eric lavine eric lavine wrote:

on the back of the flywheel


sorry I missed that one,


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30 bucks a plug!!! WTF we are getting ripped with spares parts!!!

Call that mark up!! 5X the cost!
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