Obamas Gun Controle Proposal?

OverMyHead wrote: The forefathers wanted us armed against a tyrannical government, not for hunting.

CORRECT!!!!

peter1234 wrote: something in the news i heard half asleep this morning . a girl suspended for pointing a bubble gun at another ?

This sandy hook thing is bad, but people are getting carried away. Student around here caught three days suspension for pointing his finger like a pistol at another student. Stupid.

SN206 wrote: MI-nick wrote: speaking of guns in schools...my dad tells me they used to have a gun club in school...kids would walk down the halls carrying their .22's on their way to club events (target shooting i suppose)...not 1 mass shooting...what is different now?? Parents and the fear of God.

Amen brother...

My high school shop teacher offered a gunsmithing class, I took a .410 to school! This was in the early 80's.

what exactly do you do working in a school?

malibud wrote: skicat2001 wrote: SN206 wrote: MI-nick wrote: speaking of guns in schools...my dad tells me they used to have a gun club in school...kids would walk down the halls carrying their .22's on their way to club events (target shooting i suppose)...not 1 mass shooting...what is different now?? Parents and the fear of God. Amen brother... ... and kids use to be able smoke at high school and people use to have fist fights things have changed . not to say that there isn, still a rifle team

You may be onto something Dan. We may have so effectively eliminated kids natural "steam vents" that all that is left is an explosion when things get to be to much.

I find it very troubling that with all the proposals introduced, not one is looking into what violent video games and violence on TV is doing to YOUNG kids. Video game industry makes millions of dollars on third person shooter games for the sake of "entertaining" our youth. You can't tell me it doesn't desensitize there developing minds. Violence on TV for the sake of entertainment doesn't help either. Showing the dead victims or full autopsies is getting people comfortable with seeing this sort of stuff. Why has our culture chaged that much? My favorite TV show in the 70's and 80's was M*A*S*H. We NEVER saw an open body or blown off limb or whatever, just a blood stained bandage and Hawkeye lifting it up to see how bad the wound was. Only thing you saw on Quincy was a sheet, maybe an ocassional fully clothed body whose face was blue, and whatever Sam found under the microscope. We had violence on TV but not to the third degree. Heck, I used to get squimish watching NCIS, or HOUSE but as I've watched it I've gotten used to it so don't tell me it hasn't anesthetized me to gruesome scenes . I find it very typical of Hollywood actors and am PO'd at the fact that they will make millions off of movies they are staring in and it's a mvie loaded with revenge or GUN/ASSAULT WEAPON VIOLENCE! Freaking hypocrites they are. Unfortunately the people of this country will not speak up with their wallets and boycott movies like this. I have Platinum Blonde hair these days and get carded EVERY time I order a beer but have never been carded to see an R rated movie. Doesn't really matter as my 14 year old could pay to see a G rated movie walk by the ticket taker and right into an R rated movie.

Guys in HS had guns in the gun racks of there trucks and it was fine as long as they weren't loaded. Fights broke out in school (myself included) and whoever won ( me both times) was the victor and that WAS IT! You didn't have to worry about retrobution from the loser or being stabbed or even worry about being shot in the parking lot after school. GAME OVER end of story!

Face it the criminals will be laughing at any gun control and be thankful as making prey out of you and me just became easier. They are gonna break any law passed if they are that determined.

The woman here in Ga protecting her twins shot @ the scumbag 6 TIMES and hit him 5. She kept pulling the trigger as he was still coming but all it did was go click. He finally stopped and asked her to quit shooting, turned and left, got in his car and wrecked as he was leaving. Had she had a clip the coroner would have removed the guy and the GA taxpayers would have one less criminal to pay for. I for one wished she did have a 10 round magazine. Take or restrict the 2nd amendment right away from the LAW ABIDING citizens of this country and that coroner would have been removing a woman, and a set of twins beaten to death by some POS with a crowbar. THAT'S why you have 10 round magazines!

With all the nut jobs running around these days I've been giving some serious thought to getting my CWP and carrying everywhere I go. Not because I'm scared but I want be able to be prepared to defend myself, my family and my friends, by firing back and not with a loaded finger!

Morfoot wrote: I find it very troubling that with all the proposals introduced, not one is looking into what violent video games and violence on TV is doing to YOUNG kids. and not with a loaded finger!

That's beacause Holywood and the media are not going to cut there own throats. They would rather cut Obama a check.

i would say it will have an effect on the interpretation of what the supreme court has defined the second amendment to mean

SN206 wrote: Morfoot wrote: I find it very troubling that with all the proposals introduced, not one is looking into what violent video games and violence on TV is doing to YOUNG kids. and not with a loaded finger! That's beacause Holywood and the media are not going to cut there own throats. They would rather cut Obama a check.

Obama will not go after his big contributors in Hollywood. He knows who butters his bead.

Oh and BTW...

READ AND THINK ABOUT MY SIGNATURE LINE...

but doesnt he give us hope??   

john b wrote: I'm reaching out to you hard core gun rights guys. What do you think needs to be done, if anything at all? Are the mass murders just the price we pay for the right to own guns? Do you think very strict enforcement of existing gun laws would be the answer? What are your thoughts? Is the NRA on the right path, or have they stepped in it with their response to the recent murders? A bit unrelated, but has anyone used a .223 for hunting say, a wild boar? Is it effective? Either in a Ranch rifle, Bushmaster, or AR15? I am not looking for justification for or against them, I just wonder if they are viable for this. BTW, other than security and the cost of the ceremony, the inauguration is paid for by private donations. In my mind it doesn't matter if you agree with the policies of the newly sworn in president, it is an awesome responsibility and should be a public celebration. Like the honor guard at the tomb, it is a sacred tradition that should be respected by everyone who loves this country. When the ceremony is confined to a secret location and observed by a only a select few I will really start to worry.

Apparently you failed to read Kristof's post. Please go back and re-read.

As to answering your question about using a .223 for hunting wild boars - Yes, there is a show called "Pigman" on the Outdoor Channel and that is all he uses when he is hunting with a rifle. It is chambered in .308 however. The AR15 platform is a very versatile and accurate hunting rifle and I personally hunt with people that use them and are very successful with them. They are wildly popular with ranchers to kill coyotes and the .223 round is perfect for this task. Coyotes are pack animals and there are usually a lot of them hunting their prey together. Having a magazine that holds less than 10 rounds would not be very effective here. The ranchers use the AR's to protect their livestock.
I personally this past SATURDAY was sitting in my treestand when 2 boars walked in. I shot the first one and the second one ran right toward me. I was using a 30-30 lever action and did not have time to re-chamber another round. Pig got away. Thank god I wasn't on the ground or I would have been in serious danger. This is a real life event that is perfectly relevant to your question here. Having a semi-auto in this instance would have been very helpful.
And in response to your last comment on the inauguration: He only had 2 ceremonial balls this year but last term he had 10!! I don't think they were all privately paid for. Why does any president need more than one?

Thanks for the input on the AR15. I have no experience shooting anything other than shooting targets, cars, and other cover with them. It seems to me it is the perfect people killer and I thought it would be effective hunting as well. They are really fun to shoot, but I really haven't done it since I retired.

On another note, that woman in GA with the twins is a moron of the highest magnitude. I read all of the stories I could find on the incident. The report says that the burglar repeatedly knocked on the door and rang the door bell ( sop for a burglar ). She then watched him walk from the front door to his car, retrieve a pry bar, and walk back to the door. Instead of calling the police she called her husband at work. She then took her children to an upstairs crawl space and hid with a gun and listened while the guy tossed the house. When he finally got to the crawl space she shot him. Most people are smart enough to dial 911. In my jurisdiction response to " in progress " calls is normally under 2 minutes. She may have very well subjected herself to civil penalties for shooting him as we'll, even though she is probably criminally on solid ground. We, the taxpayers are now paying for surgery, intensive care, rehab, and I am sure a host of other costs related to her actions. She turned what would have most likely been a simple arrest of a burglar into a huge mess.