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I will certainly do that. Can I accurately gauge whether I am cooling properly using a "fake-a-lake"? will it supply enough water for that?
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John,
One you get the new impeller in, I have a feeling you will still need to go after the cooling problem.

Tim mentioned it earlier, tighten all the hoses on the suction side of the RWP. You may be sucking a small amount of air.


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

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What about the RWP? have you taken a look at the impeller? I'm curious if it's bad or good.


Here it is. Not sure if this would be considered good or bad. It hasn't broken up and still has some flexibility, but looks like there are a few cracks where the neoprene has curved over. What do you think? Would it cause my overheating in this condition?

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What about the RWP? have you taken a look at the impeller? I'm curious if it's bad or good.


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I looked through it, of course when I looked I was looking for something specific, I will look again, I am now second guessing myself.
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

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It will probably give you most information you need for your engine. Take a look and if you need more, ask and we'll see if we can help.


The boat actually came with this manual. As much as I have looked through it, it doesn't have anything in there about the escort produced 351. I appreciate you sending that over anyway though.


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What else are you looking for? The Escort is basically the same as a early PCM 302/351.

Have you opened up the RWP yet to take a look? Maybe I missed it?


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

John,
Here's a link to the eary PCM 302/351 manual that's in the reference section. It will probably give you most information you need for your engine. Take a look and if you need more, ask and we'll see if we can help.


The boat actually came with this manual. As much as I have looked through it, it doesn't have anything in there about the escort produced 351. I appreciate you sending that over anyway though.
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Okay, So here is the site that I got the correct Jabsco part number from. It requires precise measurements of the existing impeller to find the part number for your replacement. After getting the part number and doing a search online, I found that this also has a corresponding Mercruiser part number.

https://pdf.directindustry.com/pdf/jabsco/impeller-replacement/14649-391577.html

The Mercruiser cross reference number is MERCRUISER 34765A1 500106 / JABSCO 920-0001

I found one locally for $80, but decided to order them online. It was on amazon for $20. When it comes in, I will confirm that it was indeed the correct part, and update this thread.
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It looks like the same pump that was on my commander. Duane in Indy may be of some help here as he machined a new housing from aluminum if i recall correctly.
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John,
Here's a link to the eary PCM 302/351 manual that's in the reference section. It will probably give you most information you need for your engine. Take a look and if you need more, ask and we'll see if we can help.


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Originally posted by Atomic Dam Atomic Dam wrote:

Sorry that seemed strange, unintentional. I will do that straight away. Im away from the house, i am replying from my phone. Will post more info when i get to my computer.


    
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Sorry that seemed strange, unintentional. I will do that straight away. Im away from the house, i am replying from my phone. Will post more info when i get to my computer.
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Originally posted by Atomic Dam Atomic Dam wrote:

Through a thorough cleaning, I actually found a faintly printed part number on the one of the blades of the impeller. I typed that in a general google search and several options presented. Most led nowhere, but two led those same parts being sold on amazon, or ebay. One led to a chart that had all the applications that fit specific part along with the manufacturers individual part numbers. I had to take precise measurements to make sure, but i found it. It seems odd to me that on a forum for correct craft that this hasn't come up more often. From everything i have found, this was a relatively routine placement in early 70's correct crafts. I will post a picture with the "canisters" for the hopefully clarification. Because i can find almost no info on these motors. Set up, specifications, nothin.


The Escort engines weren't very popular at all. They were only around for a few years and there's not much info at all.

it seems odd to me that you didn't post the number on the impeller along with the measurements so there would be more info here on CCF about Escort engines..............for the next guy with the same problem

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Through a thorough cleaning, I actually found a faintly printed part number on the one of the blades of the impeller. I typed that in a general google search and several options presented. Most led nowhere, but two led those same parts being sold on amazon, or ebay. One led to a chart that had all the applications that fit specific part along with the manufacturers individual part numbers. I had to take precise measurements to make sure, but i found it. It seems odd to me that on a forum for correct craft that this hasn't come up more often. From everything i have found, this was a relatively routine placement in early 70's correct crafts. I will post a picture with the "canisters" for the hopefully clarification. Because i can find almost no info on these motors. Set up, specifications, nothin.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Talk about overkill. Thermostats and temp senders go bad very rarely.


Yea, Tim, it is a bit of overkill...but I've not had the best luck with thermostats and temp sending units in the PCM / SBF application. On my old boat (1994 SNOB) I went through 3 thermostats and 3 sending units in 12 years -- I even changed the temp gauge, thinking it was wonky. Maybe I'm just snake-bit...but I look at it as relatively cheap insurance. I spend a fair bit of time on Lake Powell, and we stay in some isolated areas, so I'm a little aggressive on certain maintenance items.

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Originally posted by Atomic Dam Atomic Dam wrote:

I found the part online. There was a cross refrence number to a mercruiser engine model that uses that same impeller. It should be here wednesday. I did look and there is no strainer on this engine. But there are two inline canisters that look to have hoses to other engine components. Most notably the transmission. Does anyone know what those are?

If there are two "canisters", then one is the trans cooler and the other is probably an oil cooler. I said probably because a oil cooler isn't a common item on these small engines/boats. A picture will confirm.

Where did you come up with the number to cross reference to the merc?


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I found the part online. There was a cross refrence number to a mercruiser engine model that uses that same impeller. It should be here wednesday. I did look and there is no strainer on this engine. But there are two inline canisters that look to have hoses to other engine components. Most notably the transmission. Does anyone know what those are?
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John,
Since it's a Jabsco, here's their chart


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Originally posted by Atomic Dam Atomic Dam wrote:

Its a Jabsco pump Model 17100-0001. Struggling to find anything


This is what's listed for your pump

You can compare dimensions and note that the center is splined

I seem to think the body was plastic and lots of them were replaced with Sherwood's as they weren't too durable.

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Its a Jabsco pump Model 17100-0001. Struggling to find anything
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The Sherwood impeller for your pump is most likely a 10615K like what's in the link below.

They used the same impeller and pump in the 302 and 351 Escorts. There's a good chance it's a G-85 Sherwood pump.

If only there was somebody posting in this thread with a 302 Escort who could tell him what he has for a pump and what impeller he uses in his.

The dimensions are in the link and you could compare them to what you have to see if the 10615K will be right.

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Originally posted by Atomic Dam Atomic Dam wrote:

Okay, so apparently this is an Escort? 351 pcm. How do I find parts for this? when I went to the local boat shop to get an impeller, they gave me a model specif one for this boat, but it certainly is not the correct impeller.

The proper impeller is for the engine and NOT the boat. I think I'd be shopping elsewhere. .

Escort was purchased by PCM about 1977 or 78 so your engine is a Escort and not a PCM. Some parts interchange and others don't.


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John,
There should be a model and manufacturer on the pump. Many times it's stamped into the front flange of the pump where the gasket is.

Chances are good that it's a Sherwood so take a look at their chart.



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Okay, so apparently this is an Escort? 351 pcm. How do I find parts for this? when I went to the local boat shop to get an impeller, they gave me a model specif one for this boat, but it certainly is not the correct impeller. Does anyone know anything about this?
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As Tim states,
Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Only use high quality oem impellers.


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Yes, that's the RWP.

Regarding the strainer, you may or may not have up. It's typical location would be between the thru hull water inlet and the trans cooler


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Again, forgive my ignorance, I would rather be certain than make mistakes. Is the impeller housed in this pump?
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Understood. Just picked up impeller to replace. Going to do that now. I was told by the parts guy to check the strainer gasket. Where is that exactly?
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Talk about overkill. Thermostats and temp senders go bad very rarely.

Watch the gauge consistently and note when things are abnormal, and you’ll usually catch a cooling issue before it becomes serious. Impeller every 2-3 years or 150 hrs (whichever comes first) would be my recommendation. Only use high quality oem impellers.

Was the engine full of water when you first launched? Or was it dry? If a little throttle brought the temp down then a slight air leak might’ve caused the issue (while idling). Go inspect all hose ends and hose clamps for tightness.
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The Jonny Quest "how to avoid overheating" credo is:

1. Change raw water impeller every 2 years
2. Change thermostat every 3-4 years
3. Change temperature sending unit every 4-5 years
4. NEVER run engine without water.
5. Watch temperature gauge regularly while boating
6. Inspect risers and clean-out with each year's winterizing

Hopefully, your engine didn't get too hot for too long. Heat can screw-up a lot of things. Be vigilant and check your oil for signs of water intrusion. If water is getting into the oil, look under the oil fill cap for residue that looks like chocolate milk. Also, check the oil regularly to see if the oil looks "milky" and kinda like chocolate milk. That can be signs of a cracked head or head gasket issues. Both can occur with overheating.

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