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WakeSlayer ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-15-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2138 |
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What would you replace the exhaust boards with? I really don't feel like paying for a big chunk of fir for two little squares. Is this foolish or is it ok to use some pine or whatever I have laying around.
I do have a fir 1x6, is this going to give me enough material with a 3 inch hole through the middle of it? It doesn't seem like there would be too much stress here. I believe the rudder port piece is 3/8" plywood. Tim, wanna send me a couple small squares of coosa? ha ha. |
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Mike N
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Keeganino ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-27-2009 Location: North Carolina Status: Offline Points: 2063 |
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I am feeling you on that. I do not want to put ply back in there! But I sure as siht do not want to buy a $250 sheet of coosa!
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"working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Keegan,
Most home centers will have small 2'x2' sheets of exterior ply. I suggest it because ply will give you the support needed in both directions due to it's alternating grain in each layer. |
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Keeganino ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-27-2009 Location: North Carolina Status: Offline Points: 2063 |
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Thanks pete. Is it true that the only difference between marine grade ply and external is the amount of voids between layers?
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"working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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WakeSlayer ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-15-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2138 |
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I have some nice chunks of 3/4 exterior left. Any reason to not just use that on my exhaust and rudder? Neither were that thick, but does it matter?
Got the exhaust mounts out. One was really bad, the second wasn't rotted nearly as bad, but still wet and delaminating. I drilled an inspection hole in my transom and am happy to say it bright yellow dry wood. I did one hole in the center. I may do a top and bottom just to be positive. |
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Mike N
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BuffaloBFN ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-24-2007 Location: Gainesville,GA Status: Offline Points: 6094 |
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Mike, by '88 all of that was 3/4...in my boat anyway.
I gotta throw this in for anyone in the neighborhood; Sweetwater has some sweet fir ply that is the nicest ply I've worked with short of cabinet grade. It has very few voids, it's sanded nicely, and it drinks the CPES! |
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JoeinNY ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-19-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5697 |
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What size chunks of coosa you looking for Mike dimensions and thickness. I probably have scraps.
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WakeSlayer ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-15-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2138 |
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Joe, I measured the voids and they are roughly 6.75 x 8.75, I am figuring 3/4. I do have ply I can use, no big deal.
We got the stringers dry fit yesterday. After having the boat jacked up, and replacing the old stringers, there was a significant gap under the front half of the stringers. We compared new and old and they were about as exact as they could be. After going back and forth a couple times, we decided to drop the boat, and lift it slightly from the keel at about where the skeg is. This gave us a much better fit. There are still voids, but what I would expect now. We confirmed all of our measurements, and I like how they fit. I got 3 coats of CPES on them. After the first coat I noticed we had failed to create drain channels, and to radius the tops of the primaries. Ooops. Will do that tonight and get more CPES on those spots. I have not drilled the hole for my cable block post yet, either, but as I had to move the one on the Mustang due to the newer style cable. |
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Mike N
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WakeSlayer ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-15-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2138 |
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Got the port main stringer bedded tonight. Went really good. I put down a layer of thin consistency epoxy, and strip of wetted glass, and then peanut butter on top of that. Set the stringer in, centered and pushed down with moderate pressure until it sat down like when dry fit. I smoothed the beveled channel as well as I could with the excess. There just was not enough mixed up to do a proper fillet, but I will go back and do nicer ones after I get the second stringer set Monday. If I was not going out of town, I would get all the stringers in and a good deal of layup done this weekend.
Here are a couple pics I took earlier this week. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Mike N
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Keeganino ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-27-2009 Location: North Carolina Status: Offline Points: 2063 |
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looking good! I am watching your progress. Just got my motor out today.
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"working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Mike,
Since you're using West, make sure you wipe down the cured resin with a damp cloth to remove the amine blush. You only need to do it if the epoxy has cured. If you go with next layers after the previous ones have just "kicked", then it's not needed. |
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Riley ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-19-2004 Location: Portland, ME Status: Offline Points: 7952 |
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Looks great Mike. We'll be doing the same thing come spring on the Barracuda and will be using this as a guide. I'm really interested in how you are going to apply the different types of cloth and exactly what they are.
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WakeSlayer ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-15-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2138 |
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Pete, I never found any blush last year when I did the Mustang. I will keep my eyes out and will wipe down anything I am recoating anyway, just in case. I have read about it before, and kind of thought that my shop conditions and the West help minimize if not eliminate any blushing. I could be wrong. I will not be in my shop til Monday, so will look again then.
As far as the layup, I am taking and mixing everything I have read and direct advice, together. |
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Mike N
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storm34 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-03-2008 Location: Dexter Iowa Status: Offline Points: 4492 |
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Mike/Pete, can you guys explain amine blush a little more? I've heard the term before and knew to wipe everything down if it cured but still a little lost as to what it actually is...
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WakeSlayer ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-15-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2138 |
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Apparently it is a waxy sort of buildup that comes to the surface after the eopxy has cured. I constantly checked for it last year and never ran across it. It will prevent a good bond if not removed. Epoxy, primer, paint, etc will not stick properly. I believe just soap and water will remove it. Pete will better explain it than I.
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Mike N
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Mike's right on for the description. I don't know exactly what it is but it's like a by product of the cure. Some brands of epoxy don't do it so there must be a chemistry difference. It is water soluble so a solvet wipe won't cut it.
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WakeSlayer ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-15-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2138 |
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I am curious to what made you recommend watching out for it since I am using West Systems.
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Mike N
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skfitz ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: October-15-2009 Location: Herculaneum Status: Offline Points: 138 |
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ammonium carbamate It's made when CO2, the nitrogen compounds released by the resin, and atmospheric moisture react on the surface of your epoxy job. |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Mike, Only because the Gougeon boys have always made a point to explain the blush in all their publication. However now, who knows since they sold the company and the formula may have changed. Mas on the other hand makes a big point about their epoxy not having the blush. I don't know about supplies more oriented towards commercial like U.S. Composites. I've never seen much printed material from them. |
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WakeSlayer ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-15-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2138 |
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We got the starboard main bedded last night. Filleted this morning. All three installed stringers are level, square and right where I want them. Have the port main filleted, and the port secondary's first two strips of glass down. I hope to get a good amount of glass on the mains tomorrow during the day, and install the last secondary tomorrow evening. Then just layer after layer after layer of glass. I need to coat the exhaust and rudder boards once more, and bed those in. Hopefully I can get to that tomorrow also. I am trying like mad to get the layup done before I head to St John. We'll see...
I swear I will get pics up as soon as my bro gets me all the ones he has taken. |
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Mike N
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Keeganino ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-27-2009 Location: North Carolina Status: Offline Points: 2063 |
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Sounds like you are moving along really well. Post those Pics! Its raining like crazy here, so I am not going to get much done this weekend.
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"working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger
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Keeganino ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-27-2009 Location: North Carolina Status: Offline Points: 2063 |
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I think I am going to run into this problem. PO replaced steering cable 3 years ago and he said it turns to one side sharper than on the other because of the new cable. He told me this after I had the thing apart already so I am not sure how significant the difference is. Ahhhh something new to research here on CCF. |
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"working on these old boats may not be cost effective but as it shows its what it brings into your life that matters" -Roger
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WakeSlayer ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-15-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2138 |
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Once I re-attached the cable in our Mustang, it was really obvious that the cable could not be adjusted into what makes it an even swing position. The adjustment tube on the new cables is a different length if I recall correctly. I believe both the Ponyboat and the SN had original cables when I got them.
Just install that or at least test install before you put your floor down. Tim also suggested to someone using a bracket to install onto the strut bolts. |
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Mike N
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Keegan,
To clarify what Mike has mentioned, the tube is adjustable in the block. |
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WakeSlayer ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-15-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2138 |
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Last stringer is beeded and filleted. Got 3 layers of glass on the mains, 2" 2" 4". I am thinking about doing an 8" then back to 4", then another 8". Installed my rudder box board, also. Today I will get the gas tank mount boards added to the rear of the mains and a bunch more layup done. I would like to get the secondaries finished with the tape part of the layup, we'll see about the mains. I need to also install my exhaust boards before I get too far. I think I am going to peanut butter them in and then use a board on the outside to suck it on to the boat. 3-4 screws from the out side pulling the inner board against the hull. I am not drilling until later.
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Mike N
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WakeSlayer ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: March-15-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2138 |
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I am going to run out of epoxy.
I got several layers of tape on the mains and the newest secondary. I installed the risers for the gas tank also. Next I plan to install the exhaust and get some glass on those and the rudder plate. After that I will get the last couple layers of tape on the mains and start on the biax. My stupid computer at home will not allow me to post pics for some reason, despite telling to allow scripted windows. |
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Mike N
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storm34 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-03-2008 Location: Dexter Iowa Status: Offline Points: 4492 |
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Mike, glad to see someone is making progress in the cold weather. If you want, send me the pics and I'll see if I can get em posted!
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storm34 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-03-2008 Location: Dexter Iowa Status: Offline Points: 4492 |
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![]() ![]() ![]() Mike's Pics.....Looking good man! |
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The Lake ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May-13-2005 Location: Lk Winnebago MO Status: Offline Points: 1157 |
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Mike, really nice work!
Are you going to use the same motor mounts . . . using lags into the stringers, or are you considering some kind of cradle? Chuck |
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